Posted on Mar 9, 2017
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I don't know what they're like now, but the last time I was there we still buddied up and put our shelter halves together and slept on the sand. MREs three times a day, unless they decided to set up the MKT....HUGE open bay shitters with the crappers right next to each other with no walls, and right across from the piss troughs. The showers were a prize too...and oh yeah, the laundry facility was a cinder block shed with four washers and four dryers, about half of which worked. The was a little PX that never had anything in it and hardly any shade to be found. This was back in '94 so hopefully it is not the same, and if it's not, we'll then it has to be better!
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They improved the RUBA since then with tents and a mini Exchange and Snack Bar. I was stationed there from 2010-13.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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A lot of the training facilities are still this way. As money becomes available the tin huts and cinder block latrines are all coming down to make room for the modern A.C. /heated buildings that serve as training barracks.
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They have put dividers and shower curtains up in the latrines, the sheds where the shelter halves were are enclosed now. It's not paridise, but it's better than when a used to go to NTC in the 90s and early 2000's.
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I assume this is sarcastic. LTC (Join to see) is right on the money. The NTC RUBA has been upgraded. Initially it was a sand lot. The first time I went it was metal overhangs without walls and you put your ruck down and slept on pea-gravel. Now there are shelters with cots. Not sure what else we would want to do to the place. It isn't supposed to be there for comfort...it is supposed to replicate a forward staging base that you would find just short of crossing an international border. If we are fighting expeditionary in a contested environment (which we are supposed to be training for), I would argue that we need to get rid of all of the upgrades they have put in or move to another spot in the desert to stage without any of the amenities. If we have to "fight tonight," when you get off the ship and assemble, you should be able to move to your attack positions in 24-48 hours. The RUBA does not meet these operational requirements.
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COL Robert Halvorson, your comment is awesome, and so true. I made many rotations to NTC as an enlisted guy, and honestly, I knew each and everyone of them would suck, but I prepared myself for that and ended up with some of the best memories of any training I have had to date. I think if it was too cush then it would defeat the purpose of going to NTC to train.
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CMSgt Mark Parrish
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"I assume this is sarcastic." Got a chuckle, knew right where you were headed. As an Air Force vet, I always enjoyed the quality of life perks associated with the Air Force and was puzzled early in my career at how poorly the Army treated its soldiers. Over the years Iv'e learned the Army (and others) treated their soldiers the way they do because they want to fight, win and bring soldier back home through any point of entry not named Dover AFB. Never been to NTC but I did have the pleasure of attending JRTC, Fort Polk, LA. Pro Life Tip (PLT): If you're on leave (or vacation for us retirees) and are near an Air Force base, check Billeting for availability. The rooms are good and you'll save some money.
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COL Chief, Land Forces Division
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CPT (Join to see), ahhh...this is a privacy thing with all of the social engineering requirements. Yeah. Ok. How to put this? We, as an Army, need to get over privacy issues and instill in our Soldiers the mental and moral fortitude required to operate in austere conditions. One of those is seeing members of the opposite sex (or gender identification if necessary), in any form of undress, doing any sort of thing. If you're on my tank crew, you are going to see me naked at some point...and I don't care. Neither should anyone else. I had this opinion when I was 23 in the Army and I still have it now. I think the shower scene from Starship Troopers paints a good picture of where we need to get to. Gender neutral bathrooms? We have had them for years. They are called porta-potties. No need to put a female sign on one...there shouldn't be more than one person in there at a time anyhow. Gender neutral billets? Done that. GP-medium. If you are a shy little snowflake, then get changed under the blankets (or under your woobie if you are on the ground). Bottom line is the RUBA should probably be taken down or moved to a flat piece of desert where people have to deal with the suck. You don't become resilient by taking classes or being briefed. You become resilient through surviving pain, deprivation and disease. You don't get it from kind thoughts and political correctness. We need to determine what we are trying to build and focus on the building blocks...not on the ornamental crap.
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Sir, again, couldn't agree more. In fact, I'm responding to this on my tank waiting to conduct Table 12. The challenge is instilling this in to the new Soldiers. I know and you know that no one cares about any of that when it matters, but new Soldiers haven't had to endure what we have.
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No. Experiencing things that suck with your soldiers is extremely important to building trust and comradery. Also if you think NTC is bad then I'd venture to say you've never been to JRTC.
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