Posted on Jul 28, 2017
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I know refusing to jump is punishable under UCMJ ART 92. I am wondering what qualifies a SM to being a jump refusal?
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CW5 Ranger Dave
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NOBODY ever refused or froze in my door. If you made it to the door you were going out one way or another.
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LTC Retired
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To preface my comment like to quote an Army General
“Any time we lose one of America’s sons or daughters in an accidental mishap, that’s a grave concern to all commanders,”
Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Farnsworth

I've have never refused...but I have no problem if someone does and this is why. Sometimes people have a sixth sense about things especially about equipment fails. If one is ALREADY a qualified jumper and it isn't combat and only training. If something doesn't feel right then why push it? This isn't about lack of courage but common sense. I know pilots who do not fly on somedays because when they started their aircraft something didn't sound or "feel" right then they pulled back and had it checked out. We don't bounce pilots for that do we. And most of time pilots are right. That sixth sense can keep you and brothers and sisters alive. So the Jumpmaster pulls the guy out sits him down and checks out his equipment and if there is any doubt he sits it out and goes another time with different chute. There is absolutely no training exercise worth losing your life over. And to punish anyone for a balk is just plain wrong. How many soldiers have we lost in jump accidents. There have been many over the years due to faulty equipment, Bad exits, Collisions, high winds? All during training which should never happen.

I believe that we have to trust our soldiers. They took an oath, they jumped in training and earned their jump wings. So they've already proved they have what it takes. So why punish them or kick them out of the unit? Balking isn't cowardice it's just listening to the better angels of your nature and it shouldn't be punished. So if that Sergeant Major or Colonel or private balks every now and they have tens to hundreds of jumps under their belt so be it. Let them sit is out, open the chute and check if for safety and let them get another one and jump in later. It's stupid to get a soldier wasted in a damn training exercise.
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SSG David Bray
SSG David Bray
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When I was in Jump School in 84, I froze in the door of our C-141 for about 2 seconds. I then received a "kiwis enema" to "help" me out the door. Yes, my chute opening was jacked up do to my undignified exit, but with the training we received, I didn't panic; I just went through my recovery steps. I learned more in that single jump than I did in the 15 total I had in my Army career!
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SSG David Bray
SSG David Bray
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SSG David Bray spell check, kiwi enema
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Awesome comment Chief!
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When at the door the jump master will give you the command to "go." On the third command he will pull you at from the door. The assistant jump master will then have you sit on your hands on the aircraft. Upon landing a rigger will inspect your equipment. If no faults are going you could receive UCMJ and termination of any orders to an airborne unit.
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MAJ Norm Michaels
MAJ Norm Michaels
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SPC David Willis - the refusal to jump eliminates not just the refuser, but the remainder of that stick. Refusal to jump is no different than refusal to drive, refusal to march, etc. if there are mitigating circumstances, the UCMJ Commander will take that into account.
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Brad Miller
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SPC David Willis - Wouldn't it also affect the "spread" of the jump? The lag in getting the rest of the stick out the door would lead to a wider area of landing? Not a good thing, I would think.
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SGT Jmajik Jmann
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PFC Campbell: The SSG is correct in AR 600-8-22, Ch. 1-31c. I've been out of the Army since 1992 mainly because after Desert Storm, I had no choice but to ETS. My Mom didn't want to get another Flag given to her, as in the case of my younger brother. I know I could've did 20/30/maybe 40 years in but, when Mom is right about her instincts as a Mother, no argument or reasoning can override that. I enjoyed being stationed at Bragg--Benning--and with the 3/505th 173rd more so, I miss a lot of comrades and close buddies, some I served with in Desert Storm and some, in various ABN. Units I got orders for but overall, it's about "CHOICE", especially when it comes to Orders being cut to a Unit you may/may not like or want to be assigned to but then, everyone has their own opinion and experiences being a 'trooper". Accomplish the Mission is the overall priority, regardless of fear--doubt--logic.....
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BG Civil Affairs Officer
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CPT Rosa is correct on the procedures. If there is no equipment fault (which excuses a failure to jump), a jump refusal is subsequently treated under UCMJ for failure to follow a lawful order under Article 92.
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Here is what happens to the Airborne Badge
AR 600-8-22, Ch. 1-31c
(2) Parachutist Badge. Any Parachutist badge may be revoked when the awardee—
(a) Is punished under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) for refusal to participate in a parachute jump.
(b) Initiates action which results in termination of airborne status or withdrawal of any Career Management Field (CMF) 18 military occupational specialty (MOS), 180A or specialty skill identifier (SSI) 18A before he or she completes 36 cumulative months of airborne duty. Any parachutist badge with bronze star for a combat jump will be retained regardless of time on airborne status. Any parachutist badge will be retained if the Soldier is unable to complete 36 cumulative months of airborne duty through no fault of his or her own, for example, injury or reassignment under favorable conditions.
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MAJ Norm Michaels
MAJ Norm Michaels
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I started jumping in 1972, and I was always afraid. I used to joke that all my jumps were night jumps, since my eyes were usually closed.... just joking, but I was always afraid. Being a soldier is overcoming all fears and accomplishing the mission.
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SSG Timothy McCoy
SSG Timothy McCoy
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Do I understand this correctly, that if a jumper completes 36 months of continuous Jump status, the SM will not be punished?
In approx. 1994, I was in the 1st Bde of the 82nd. There was a E-5 or 6 motorman was a jump refusal, but had been in this unit for over 4 years. As I remember, he was around the unit for a few day wearing a PC, soft cap. Then he was gone. Maybe his Art 15 caught up with him later.

Tim McCoy
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SGM Bill Frazer
SGM Bill Frazer
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SSG Timothy McCoy - NO if they are a jump refusal at anytime, and no equipment issues are found then they can be punished under Art 92, but they will be able to keep their wings, but I guarantee they will be transferred to a non-airborne unit as quickly as possible.
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MSgt Allen Chandler
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I'm not in this field, So maybe my commentsDon't qualify. Hi point out from Sergeant Unger Quote from the regulation. May be removed. My point isThat the regulation allow some leeway. We don't know the whole storyAnd we hope the convening officer / Article 15 or court-martial Would take all things into consideration. I think there could be many cases where "Hey give the guy a break" Is justified And others where "That's the last straw throw him out of the military" Without having all the factsI hope everybody will give the guys a bit of the doubt
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