Posted on Jul 28, 2017
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I know refusing to jump is punishable under UCMJ ART 92. I am wondering what qualifies a SM to being a jump refusal?
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CW5 Ranger Dave
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NOBODY ever refused or froze in my door. If you made it to the door you were going out one way or another.
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SGT Dan Gray
SGT Dan Gray
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SP5 Edwin Overstreet - And I can assure you with an attitude like that it would be adjusted very quickly or you would not be long for that class. In my day people like you would be recycled so fast they would see themselves walking in the door.
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Sgt Charles Welling
Sgt Charles Welling
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SGT Dan Gray - Am I getting office hours or what? : )'
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SGT Dan Gray
SGT Dan Gray
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Sgt Charles Welling - No but when you disrespect a Superior officer its never a good thing. And since you are an NCO they can recall you back to active duty and then punish you for it according to the US Supreme Court. Which is why its never a good thing to word your post like you did...
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Sgt Charles Welling
Sgt Charles Welling
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Be OK if I word things the way I like instead of the way you like? Liberal are you? Besides that, I think the Marines have much more to worry about than a salty mouthed, honorably discharged Sergeant. Other than that, if the W-5 really wants, he can find me and find he will have to bring some to get some.
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When at the door the jump master will give you the command to "go." On the third command he will pull you at from the door. The assistant jump master will then have you sit on your hands on the aircraft. Upon landing a rigger will inspect your equipment. If no faults are going you could receive UCMJ and termination of any orders to an airborne unit.
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BG Civil Affairs Officer
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CPT Rosa is correct on the procedures. If there is no equipment fault (which excuses a failure to jump), a jump refusal is subsequently treated under UCMJ for failure to follow a lawful order under Article 92.
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MAJ Dallas D.
MAJ Dallas D.
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This happened in my unit back in the 90's and it was treated exactly as CPT Rosa explained above. The following week the Battalion Commander called a Battalion Formation and called the individual out front, he and the CSM ripped his wings off his uniform and made him march by the entire Battalion. He was then transferred to a leg unit. I was a young SGT back then and it really left a mark, the morale of the entire Battalion went through the roof after this incident.
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Sgt Charles Welling
Sgt Charles Welling
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Smartest comment in the bunch.
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SGT Dan Gray
SGT Dan Gray
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MAJ Dallas D. - As what happened in my unit Sir Except it was with a Captain who thought they could get away with not jumping because they didnt feel like it. he found out real quick you do NOT ignore a Col's orders to train like your men, officer or not. I found out much later that this Captain tried to get away with wearing jump wings at a different posting and once he was found out, he was as the Japanese say "placed in a corner office with a window so he could watch his career go by" Guess the shame was too much for him as he resigned his commission and now works in a garage fixing cars.
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Here is what happens to the Airborne Badge
AR 600-8-22, Ch. 1-31c
(2) Parachutist Badge. Any Parachutist badge may be revoked when the awardee—
(a) Is punished under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) for refusal to participate in a parachute jump.
(b) Initiates action which results in termination of airborne status or withdrawal of any Career Management Field (CMF) 18 military occupational specialty (MOS), 180A or specialty skill identifier (SSI) 18A before he or she completes 36 cumulative months of airborne duty. Any parachutist badge with bronze star for a combat jump will be retained regardless of time on airborne status. Any parachutist badge will be retained if the Soldier is unable to complete 36 cumulative months of airborne duty through no fault of his or her own, for example, injury or reassignment under favorable conditions.
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CW3 Terry Gile
CW3 Terry Gile
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SSG Timothy McCoy - Refer to paragraph (2)(a) regarding jump refusal. Paragraph (b) addresses other voluntary termination actions/incidents and reclassification from CMF 18 -- and makes an exception for combat jumpers, medical termination, and those troops reassigned under normal policy to a non-airborne assignment.
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CW3 Terry Gile
CW3 Terry Gile
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MAJ (Join to see) - HooAah! They say that generally there's less wind after sunset, so most of our jumps were "night" jumps (not counting those daytime jumps that some of our fellow "Sky Soldiers" turned into simulated "night" jumps in response to the insane act that we were committing).
I don't recall the exact wording, but remember the saying that went something like "I don't care how many skydives you've got under your belt. Until you exit a high performance aircraft at 800 feet with an M1950 weapon case and an ALICE loaded with 80+ pounds of equipment strapped to your legs into the pitch dark of a cold, cloudy, moonless night with just the dim lights of Fayetteville glowing in the distance to tell you that Mother Earth is down there somewhere, you are still just a LEG to me!"
(Keep your feet and knees together, Brother.)
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SSG Brian Wilber
SSG Brian Wilber
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MAJ (Join to see) - My son is a paratrooper. He is also afraid of heights. He told me that's why he never hesitates in the door. It will just be that much longer before you're on the ground.
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MAJ Territory Manager
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Absolutely. Why training is so critical. At that point it is muscle memory and you just do what you were taught. You can't beat the view though! AATW!
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