ARCC (Army Reserve Career Counselor)
ARCC (Army Reserve Career Counselor)
Posted on Jan 4, 2019
What would be my punishment for not showing up for an NTC deployment as a member of the USAR?
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NTC is being put directly in the middle of a semester.
I joined to get through college, i am running solely on a full tuition scholarship that i would lose by attending. Tried talking to chain of command about issue, they more or less said its my problem not theirs. Im not going to drop out of college on my last year because of a 1 month training event. The question is as a reservist what punishment am i realistically looking at by not showing up? (I've never gotten a "U" but i hear they can only give 4 a month now and the amount is no longer 8 possibly just PNN but its really all i can hope for at this point)?
I joined to get through college, i am running solely on a full tuition scholarship that i would lose by attending. Tried talking to chain of command about issue, they more or less said its my problem not theirs. Im not going to drop out of college on my last year because of a 1 month training event. The question is as a reservist what punishment am i realistically looking at by not showing up? (I've never gotten a "U" but i hear they can only give 4 a month now and the amount is no longer 8 possibly just PNN but its really all i can hope for at this point)?
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You'll need to really work this one. Does your school have a military liaison office or military affairs office or some sort? I recommend going there, your Dean of Students, or some other faculty/administration advocate who can help you work something out with your professors. Your school may have a policy on military issues. If it's a public school, maybe your State has some sort of state-specific law, or state department that can advocate for you. Maybe your State representative/Senator can do something. On the Army side, will your leadership be willing to write you a letter explaining the situation? Does the Reserve have some sort of Education Office? We in the Guard have our own state Education Office who would probably help with this to reach out to the school and come up with a solution. This is not an easy thing to do, and you will need to put in some leg work. But the last thing you want is to expose yourself to a general or OTH discharge which may affect your employment search post college. There's no silver bullet that will solve this issue, but you need to get creative and resourceful to find a solution. Good luck!
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LTC Jason Mackay
It would help you make a more informed decision to go to the respective Dean or Veteran Support Office and get help on military leaves of absence. Even back in Desert Storm, they had this. My friend was mobilized and they let him go with a mutually negotiated agreement on his grades for the semester...as an engineering student no less.
It will be a school policy and not the Reserves.
It will be a school policy and not the Reserves.
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CSM Thomas McGarry
I may be wrong but I believe you would also be covered under Federal Law (USERTA) for thi, you may want to contact the Employee Support of the Guard/Reserves about this
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If your NTC rotation is your unit's annual training, you can be discharged for AWOL for failing to report the first day of AT orders.
Civilian employers and schools are required by law to accommodate a reserve Soldier's drill, AT and deployment requirements, (that's why your chain of command said it was your problem, but it would have helped if they explained this part), so you need to start talking to your instructors today about rescheduling any tests or due dates to before or after NTC.
Civilian employers and schools are required by law to accommodate a reserve Soldier's drill, AT and deployment requirements, (that's why your chain of command said it was your problem, but it would have helped if they explained this part), so you need to start talking to your instructors today about rescheduling any tests or due dates to before or after NTC.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
PFC (Join to see) - It is not a MYTH by law if its 30 days or more then they have to readmit you into the same academic standard. But true by law they don't have to accommodate you but there are laws. Most professors I had over the years worked with me. I got a deployment 3 weeks after school started I showed the professor the orders he gave me the whole curriculum to complete then gave me the mid term and final before I left. I actually did a half ass paper and still he gave me a 3.4 in the class I was shocked.
https://cdn.ymaws.com/http://www.roa.org/resource/resmgr/LawReviews/2015/15039-LR.pdf
https://cdn.ymaws.com/http://www.roa.org/resource/resmgr/LawReviews/2015/15039-LR.pdf
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PFC (Join to see) - It's not about wasting their time, excusing you from duty takes no time at all, your chain of command told you it was your problem because it is, in fact, your responsibility. And I think on some level you already know this.
No one held a gun to your head when you enlisted in the Army Reserves, nor when you enrolled in college. When you signed that contract and those enrollment papers, it was implied that you understood your responsibilities for each.
If you did not understand your responsibilities and the consequences, or chose to ignore them when you signed, then lesson learned.
It is also your responsibility to figure out how you can fulfill your responsibilities on both of your commitments instead of getting out of them. Welcome to the grown up world, you're going to see this a lot going forward.
It is not a myth, that law will not help you for drill or 15 day AT, but it will help you for a 30 day NTC order. Your state may have additional laws regarding this. College professors deal with students every day asking for extensions for assignments and tests. If you go in and ask for an exception to complete any requirements early (before NTC) as opposed to an extension for after NTC, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at their response.
Your BN has about 500-700 people that all have civilian employment, civilian school, child care and countless other responsibilities that they are all already making accommodations for. Taking a couple of midterms and writing a paper early is probably easier than what a lot of your other unit members will have to do to get ready for NTC.
No one held a gun to your head when you enlisted in the Army Reserves, nor when you enrolled in college. When you signed that contract and those enrollment papers, it was implied that you understood your responsibilities for each.
If you did not understand your responsibilities and the consequences, or chose to ignore them when you signed, then lesson learned.
It is also your responsibility to figure out how you can fulfill your responsibilities on both of your commitments instead of getting out of them. Welcome to the grown up world, you're going to see this a lot going forward.
It is not a myth, that law will not help you for drill or 15 day AT, but it will help you for a 30 day NTC order. Your state may have additional laws regarding this. College professors deal with students every day asking for extensions for assignments and tests. If you go in and ask for an exception to complete any requirements early (before NTC) as opposed to an extension for after NTC, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at their response.
Your BN has about 500-700 people that all have civilian employment, civilian school, child care and countless other responsibilities that they are all already making accommodations for. Taking a couple of midterms and writing a paper early is probably easier than what a lot of your other unit members will have to do to get ready for NTC.
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SGT (Join to see)
PFC (Join to see) - It is not a Myth. you need a copy of your orders and to sit down and talk to your instructors. If they will not work with you then every college has a chain of command just like the Army does. USE IT! A simple Google search for a laws pertaining to military missing college will do you wonders.
As for as the can't get more than 4 U's a month, that BS as well. Each drill day counts as 2 MUTA's so if you only do a 2 day drill then you only get 4 U's but if you have a 3 day drill you miss then you get 6 U's.
Lastly, if your command is as toxic as you claim then I suggest you address that on the next Command Claimant Survey that comes out that they require EVERY year for the soldiers to do, and if that doesn't work then as suggest above file an IG complaint.
There are protocols put into place to assist with any and all issues you could ever have, you just have to use them and do what needs to be done, except only YOU can do it. Also a word of advice. Pick your battles.
As for as the can't get more than 4 U's a month, that BS as well. Each drill day counts as 2 MUTA's so if you only do a 2 day drill then you only get 4 U's but if you have a 3 day drill you miss then you get 6 U's.
Lastly, if your command is as toxic as you claim then I suggest you address that on the next Command Claimant Survey that comes out that they require EVERY year for the soldiers to do, and if that doesn't work then as suggest above file an IG complaint.
There are protocols put into place to assist with any and all issues you could ever have, you just have to use them and do what needs to be done, except only YOU can do it. Also a word of advice. Pick your battles.
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PFC (Join to see)
SFC(P) (Join to see) what you posted literally says in bold at the top that it doesnt apply if its not a deployment.
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1. Then you are a Fool. 2. Its about serving the Nation, not your own desires. 3. Missing movement is punishable by UCMJ, as well a disobeying a direct order. 4. If you can't work it out with Command, that is indeed your problem- they are not there to keep you happy, but to keep the unit trained up to standards. 5. You swore an oath at enlistment, there were no cravats in it about serving when convenient for you! 6. If Command chooses you would be eligible for at least 1 if not 2 ART-15's, lose 1 or more stripes, 7 to 14+ days pay, bar to re-enlistment (not that I would care to let you) and quite possible a chapter from the Army, that might haunt you for the rest of your life.
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