Posted on Apr 21, 2017
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I had a newer Private in my unit pose this question to me at my last drill weekend. In context, this Private was walking outside the Company area and saluted a cadet who did not return the salute. I have minimal experience dealing with Cadets, and informed him that I would get a proper answer for him. To my understanding they can be saluted as a sign of respect, but it isn't required yet.
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SGT Victoria Belbusti
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We had a cadet spend a few weeks with us in a Charlie Med one summer. She said we had to salute her. One of my buddies rattled off the regulation you posted above. Then said, "no miss, we do not have to salute you, you haven't commissioned yet, you kind of aren't actually IN the army yet".
The same cadet was quite butthurt and kept terrorizing the lower enlisted for salutes. So we just started to call her "dot" referring to her "rank".
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CPL Norm Lowe
CPL Norm Lowe
3 mo
I have supplied the army with three officers and on this matter I have to say HELL NO! if they did not earn it then they don't deserve it! As a cadet they are too wet behind the ears to be rendered such honors, besides how many times have we been reminded that we salute the rank and not the man.
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SPC P. John Zimmer
SPC P. John Zimmer
1 mo
I was an Infantry Squad leader. My LT kicked the cadet out of his track for being a bit entitled, to learn on the ground The LT was high enough up that he wasn't going to spend his time teaching him. He walk up to me and begins to ask me a question. Before he can finish I had to interrupt him and ask him "Why the hell are you talking to me?" He begins to explain who he is and how I need to realize he is higher ranking than me blah blah, blah. All BS, I look up to the turret at my LT who is in my line of sight. He gives me "the nod". I lit into this cadet basically telling him that you have no rank, no right or reason to talk to me, you don't even qualify as a human being. I direct to my E-2 Assistant Gunner in Bravo Team. My E-2 was the lowest ranking guy in my squad, he was coming up on his E-3 his date of rank was the day we returned from the field. He instead goes back to the LTs track gets kicked out again and sent on to my E-2 after getting yelled at. The LT heard every word I said and agreed with it in it's entirety
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Capt Peter de KAM
Capt Peter de KAM
1 mo
My thoughts exactly! You have a person that has a (E3'ish) knowledge base focused on ideals and theory. They need direction, coaching, and the occasional a$$ kicking to grow into a future leader. That being said, they do deserve a measure of respect. Perhaps a better way to approach the situation would have been to have you LT to provide him with this "counseling" of how he could positively contribute to your unit... Or make it known to the Cadet that he/she would be working under the direction of an NCO...

The cadet environment is very much hierarchical! Lower class years always salute high ranking cadets so his "normal" was for people to salute... i assume from your note that your description of events that you were in the field.... If you're in an operational environment you NEVER salue... It's an automatic sign that say's "I'm important, shoot me." My two cents
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SPC Jay Streich
SPC Jay Streich
1 mo
We had some cadets assigned to our motor pool at Ft. Knox one summer. The more entitled they acted, the more they got their chops busted.
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SFC George Smith
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NO ... they have Not Yet earned the Right or the Privileges... they still have the opportunity to BOLO
When We were training or had to deal with them ... in the Distant past... they were referred as Cadet... and treated as Sgt. E-5's...
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SPC Steven Nihipali
SPC Steven Nihipali
9 mo
LtCol William Bentley - Sorry Sir, but damn, could you take any longer? lol... Hate to be in your retirement ceremony :)
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CPL Joseph Elinger
CPL Joseph Elinger
9 mo
Even in Army ROTC Basic Camp.
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CPL Joseph Elinger
CPL Joseph Elinger
9 mo
COL John McClellan He could have been a "newer"Cadet." *However the Cadet, as an Officer in training, should at all times behave with Conduct Becoming of that station /direction.
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PO2 Ricky L. Isreal
PO2 Ricky L. Isreal
4 mo
As was told to me WAY BACK when I was in. There in one difference between a K set and KY jelly, the jelly servesa useful purpose now and the K set MAY serve a useful purpose latter.
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COL Charles Williams
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SGT (Join to see) The answer is in 600-20, but this article summarizes it pretty succinctly...
https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/
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1SG Horace Fleming
1SG Horace Fleming
4 mo
Should be rendered to officers by enlisted personnel.
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SGT Dan Gray
SGT Dan Gray
4 mo
1SG Horace Fleming - But cadets are not commissioned officers yet Top
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1SG Horace Fleming
1SG Horace Fleming
4 mo
Sgt Gray, that is correct!
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SFC Gary Stanfill
SFC Gary Stanfill
3 mo
I remember having a Cadet in the unit way back when...1SGT came out to formation and said he Knew he was not Commissioned yet but give him a taste of the real ARMY and Salute him...We Did and I think he got tired of it...
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