Posted on Apr 21, 2017
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I had a newer Private in my unit pose this question to me at my last drill weekend. In context, this Private was walking outside the Company area and saluted a cadet who did not return the salute. I have minimal experience dealing with Cadets, and informed him that I would get a proper answer for him. To my understanding they can be saluted as a sign of respect, but it isn't required yet.
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We had a cadet spend a few weeks with us in a Charlie Med one summer. She said we had to salute her. One of my buddies rattled off the regulation you posted above. Then said, "no miss, we do not have to salute you, you haven't commissioned yet, you kind of aren't actually IN the army yet".
The same cadet was quite butthurt and kept terrorizing the lower enlisted for salutes. So we just started to call her "dot" referring to her "rank".
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PFC John Lanni
PFC John Lanni
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No Salute, they couldn't open their eyes after we gassed them sneaking though a clearing and they couldn't hear us laughing because they were chocking to loud and fumbling with their gas masks. Sorry, we didn't want to be out there babysitting either.
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SGT Rafael Morales
SGT Rafael Morales
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SPC Steven Nihipali - They also ruin the reenlistment rate of their unit.
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PFC Jesse V.
PFC Jesse V.
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SGT Rafael Morales - PO2 Bruce Porter - SPC Steven Nihipali - Yesssss, you all understand it, very good. Now do me and the military a favor, and reenlist as commissioned officers, so men like you can replace imbeciles like her.
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LCpl Michael Cappello
LCpl Michael Cappello
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That is why God created senior enlisted. To un F**K the military.
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SFC George Smith
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NO ... they have Not Yet earned the Right or the Privileges... they still have the opportunity to BOLO
When We were training or had to deal with them ... in the Distant past... they were referred as Cadet... and treated as Sgt. E-5's...
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SFC Michael D.
SFC Michael D.
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MSG William Hesser - I had an opportunity to be with a group of cadets way back in the day when I was a Medic with 9th ID at Ft Lewis. We were providing medical coverage for their summer camp. Pretty intelligent but God they looked like little kids. I has to check if they were high school or college. I had one of them explain to me their rank structure (all the little pips and such). I retired in 1998 and still couldn't tell you what rank they are. We were never required to salute them. It was mostly motrin and ankle wraps. You could tell by takling and observing some of them that they were going to go all the way.
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SPC Steven Nihipali
SPC Steven Nihipali
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LtCol William Bentley - Sorry Sir, but damn, could you take any longer? lol... Hate to be in your retirement ceremony :)
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CPL Joseph Elinger
CPL Joseph Elinger
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Even in Army ROTC Basic Camp.
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CPL Joseph Elinger
CPL Joseph Elinger
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COL John McClellan He could have been a "newer"Cadet." *However the Cadet, as an Officer in training, should at all times behave with Conduct Becoming of that station /direction.
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COL Charles Williams
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SGT (Join to see) The answer is in 600-20, but this article summarizes it pretty succinctly...
https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/
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SGT Mary G.
SGT Mary G.
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LtCol William Bentley - Well that was a useful education, actually. Thank you for taking the time respond so completely.
Seems to me that if a Company Commander informs the unit about the specific status of each cadet in the unit, the "confusion" and "fun" might be minimal. Barring that just salute them - unless they get all power trippy and ignorantly obnoxious. Then make an effort to learn exactly the status of the specific individual, and proceed with the appropriate military courtesy, from there.
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SGT Mary G.
SGT Mary G.
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CWO4 Ray Fairman - Well said. SM of all ranks know the difference. Either they salute because it is regulation, OR they salute out of actual respect.
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PO1 Bradley Trimble
PO1 Bradley Trimble
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I served in the Navy for 9 years until I got hurt. It is required to Salute Cadets. Most do not make a fuss about it. However, one bad apple can get you in trouble. Many times, due to my being young and stupid, I would start to salute and just scratch my head leaving them in an awkward salute. I realized as I grew internally just how disrespectful that was and I always treated them with the respect they deserved. They work extremely hard preparing for their career of becoming a military officer. I respect that.
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Thank you, Sir, for directing everyone to the relevant AR.
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