Posted on Apr 21, 2017
SGT Tank Gunner
290K
3.26K
1.5K
306
306
0
8e5f8ddc
I had a newer Private in my unit pose this question to me at my last drill weekend. In context, this Private was walking outside the Company area and saluted a cadet who did not return the salute. I have minimal experience dealing with Cadets, and informed him that I would get a proper answer for him. To my understanding they can be saluted as a sign of respect, but it isn't required yet.
Avatar_feed
Responses: 846
SGT Victoria Belbusti
470
470
0
We had a cadet spend a few weeks with us in a Charlie Med one summer. She said we had to salute her. One of my buddies rattled off the regulation you posted above. Then said, "no miss, we do not have to salute you, you haven't commissioned yet, you kind of aren't actually IN the army yet".
The same cadet was quite butthurt and kept terrorizing the lower enlisted for salutes. So we just started to call her "dot" referring to her "rank".
(470)
Comment
(0)
SSgt Myrissa Weeks
SSgt Myrissa Weeks
13 d
is in the Crops
(0)
Reply
(0)
SSgt Myrissa Weeks
SSgt Myrissa Weeks
13 d
Corps! sorry...slisdexia
(1)
Reply
(0)
1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
10 d
As an old-school NCO, I have to disagree with you COL Jack Taliaferro.
MSgt Jeff Greene's policy of treating cadets with respect is completely within both tradition and protocol. Not only is there no regulation restricting who you may salute, even the lowliest of cadets falls within the line of succession to the take acting command of a unit in battle.
As for all those folks who think that insulting, denigrating or otherwise harassing cadets is defensible on the grounds that they haven't "earned" your respect, who do you think is supposed to teach them that respect is a 2-way street when all they're feeling is the hate?
(1)
Reply
(0)
COL Jack Taliaferro
COL Jack Taliaferro
9 d
As an old school officer with 38 years service over much of the world, I've never heard or seen such. It's fine I guess if that's what one desires.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small
SFC George Smith
262
262
0
NO ... they have Not Yet earned the Right or the Privileges... they still have the opportunity to BOLO
When We were training or had to deal with them ... in the Distant past... they were referred as Cadet... and treated as Sgt. E-5's...
(262)
Comment
(0)
Cadet PVT Team Leader
Cadet PVT (Join to see)
4 mo
If they were treated as an E-5, they were probably SMP. Meaning that they are actually IN the Army. They’re enlisted alongside doing ROTC while in school.
(1)
Reply
(0)
GySgt Gary Cordeiro
GySgt Gary Cordeiro
2 mo
You give them too much respect. Many butter bars received the same amount of respect, then disciplined for being out of uniform in a combat zone.
(0)
Reply
(0)
MAJ Herbert Head
MAJ Herbert Head
1 mo
To PVT Adam Llanes point. They are paid at the rank of E-5 regardless of the fact they are SMP's. Their rank is somewhat equivalent to E5 rank. Most cadets are so new and have such little training at this point they have no idea what they are doing and what the army protocols and regulations are.
(0)
Reply
(0)
LtCol William Bentley
LtCol William Bentley
10 d
MAJ Herbert Head - The only ROTC cadets or midshipmen who are paid at the E-5 grade are Army SMP dual-status members, with concurrent enlisted E-5 status and Army ROTC cadet status. This has been the law for a couple decades now.

In the past (including for me back in the late '80's), ROTC cadets and mids were routinely paid at E-5 for periods of active duty for training, like OCS, etc. But this changed, and Congress directed that all ROTC cadets and mids be paid at the same rate as the Service Academy cadets and mids, which is 35% of an O-1 with less than 2 years of service. So, each time an Army, Navy, or Air Force ROTC cadet or mid performs active duty for training under orders, they are paid the same daily rate as their colleagues in the Service Academies.

Notice this is not the case for the aforementioned SMP, as they have a different pay status under the law and regulations, and "officer candidates" and "officer cadets" who are NOT of the ROTC or Service Academy flavor are, in fact, paid at E-5.

This is the fine distinction between the Service Academy and ROTC commissioning programs, per se, and all other commissioning programs, where the candidates/cadets may be paid at E-5 (although they are not technically E-5's...only paid at that rate...).
Cheers,
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small
COL Charles Williams
200
200
0
SGT (Join to see) The answer is in 600-20, but this article summarizes it pretty succinctly...
https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/
(200)
Comment
(0)
SFC Gary Stanfill
SFC Gary Stanfill
8 mo
I remember having a Cadet in the unit way back when...1SGT came out to formation and said he Knew he was not Commissioned yet but give him a taste of the real ARMY and Salute him...We Did and I think he got tired of it...
(0)
Reply
(0)
CW4 Harris Smith
CW4 Harris Smith
4 mo
When all else fails try reading guidance (AR 600-20). Kudos to COL Williams. Great response, sir.
When I was a SSG I remember babysitting (my commander's words) some West Point cadets. Mostly after duty hours as we were in bachelor quarters together. We treated each other with respect and I didn't have any problems dealing with the occasional smart ass. Most of them were well behaved, serious young men who were soon to be commissioned officers and wanted to learn from NCO's who had "been there and got the T-shirt".
(2)
Reply
(0)
SSG Elizabeth LeMere
SSG Elizabeth LeMere
2 mo
I have always believed no matter what regulation or article,. the commanding officer of the base has the authority to override any of them within limits?
(0)
Reply
(0)
SCPO John Schneider
SCPO John Schneider
2 mo
From memory, Admiral Nimitz when addressing an Academy Graduation said (out of context) "The sailor is sly, cunning and devious and bears watching at all times". This introduction would have left some of the class with a negative impression & could color one's attitude for the remainder of a career. Whilst this was from the 1940's it still was not in the interest of promoting future leader attitudes.
Treating a young impressionable Cadet with anything but common decency and respect could in fact cause unnecessary 'coloring' of their attitude to life in the services. So a little common courteously could have a long lasting impact on a future leader.
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close