Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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It must be nipped in the bud quickly and without hesitation. Having had a few minutes to think about it, here goes....
PFC Shitbird and his team leader stand fast. All others fall out and carry on.

Have PFC Dipshit stand by while I ensure his team leader knows what my expectations are; "Instant obedience to lawful orders. Period. Any other answer is unacceptable. The fact that PFC Dipshit thinks it is okay to open his trap is a direct reflection of your leadership. Take a look at how you are leading and determine how this could happen."

To PFC Dipshit; "If you have decided to end your time in the military you have chosen a sure-fire method. If you do not comply with lawful orders, it will eventually end with you on a bus headed for home. But only after spending the next few weeks/months becoming the example of what not to do. If that is what you want, we will go there. If not, get your ass moving on what you were ordered to do."
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SPC Jerry S
SPC Jerry S
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SGT Tony Shope - Bull shit, you were no leader maybe you were the asshole, knock someone out yeah right.
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SPC Jerry S
SPC Jerry S
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PO1 Bill O - You are absolutely right, back in 1966 when I went in you got the *pussie* knocked out of you right away. Not by some squad leader beating it out of you but by the whole squad being punished and in turn they encourage *dumbshit* to behave.
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SPC Patrick Whited
SPC Patrick Whited
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That’s not a pfc, sir. And I see this all the time it’s the new army. They don’t yell at these kids anymore, no shark attacks and only 10 reps to “smokings”. There’s no discipline.
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SPC Gary Cartwright
SPC Gary Cartwright
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CWO3 John Bell - I guess today I would be considered to be part of the old Army. If this had happened to me I would have sent the rest of the squad off to work, then marched the E-2 to his room and I would have a wall to wall counseling. Until it came down from above, my word was law & if you broke that law you'd pay the price.
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Praise in public, punish in private. "You stand fast after formation." Give him a chance to explain insubordination. Mandatory counseling. If he is defiant in private after getting the chance then burn him. ART15. Sometimes people are defiant because something happened and they feel out of control so they try to take it wherever they can no matter how inappropriate. Sometimes a wife cheated or a parent died. Sometimes the hospital calls and congratulates you on having cancer. To outright burn a Joe without gathering the facts is irresponsible and we would want someone breathing down our neck to take that extra moment to consider what might be going on too. If it's nothing more than attitude and a shitty personality then by all means light that dead Christmas tree and know you probably saved lives downrange.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
PV2 Glen Lewis
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The sergeants I had would've had you doing one handed push ups until you got on the bus for home. You'd get your praise then on how fast you got the hell out of there. Private giving a battle hardened sergeant lip; give me a break.
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PV2 Glen Lewis I don't entirely disagree, but this new army is drawing from a civilian population so coddled we might as well dress care bears up. So few actually face and suffer adversity into they join that we need a different approach than your day. With 23 to 24 a day committing suicide we better damn well get to the bottom of things intelligently, especially in garrison. Out in the field we need a harder approach for sure. We can't win if we don't have dynamic approaches. This isn't the French Foreign Legion where they either make it or their family can home starves.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
PV2 Glen Lewis
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CPL(P) (Join to see) - I have sympathy for those families whose sons/daughters committed suicide but little for those who did it. The military isn't a place for "Nancys". Flat out; if you display the attitude to mouth off to your NCO then you better gain the attitude to deal with the ramifications or hit the door. You're not in the Cub Scouts and you wouldn't want one going into battle with you. I was never deployed and I know that. Too much counseling and psych evaluation that came too late CPL. Straighten up, toughen up and learn some respect for those in authority will always be my outlook on this.
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PV2 Glen Lewis I respect my elders and the positions of folks. My soldiers have always gone above and beyond out of respect and loyalty. The odd balls get escalated. I often find myself between wanting to perform a woodline adjustment and asking the question, what else could this mean. It's tough to always get it right. The best ncoes that I've ever met were the ones that carried the most dangerous sword but kept it sheathed. Temperance was a strength and their command over that has shown me to lengthen my fuse.
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PO1 David Gibbens
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I can speak from experience on this one. On my first boat( yes I'm a submariner) as an E3 I was made Deck Div LPO, AKA Leading Seaman. While passing out the day's job assignments, I was told "f@#k no" by one of the new seaman. I was shocked to say the least. I went to the 1st LT, a TMCS, and informed him of my situation. He told me in no uncertain terms to take said individual to the back of the work barge and show him the error of his ways. I did so, physically. The young man never questioned me again.
Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me give you my opinion on this matter. This was the late '70s. We were still in the Viet Nam mind set. However; when did the military go from being a gung ho military organization to a job? "Ask him what's wrong". Really?! When you're at 400ft and there's a fire in the Torpedo Room, or you're someplace where people are shooting at you are you really going to take no as an answer?? Or are you going to kick him in his ass, and get him motivated to move in the right direction? I spent 20 years in the Submarine Force and I've seen people come and go. And the ones that went were sent haze gray and underway on surface ships. Which, BTW, was the same as failing. Next time someone tells a senior NCO he doesn't want to do something, point out that the contract he signed doesn't say anything about liking it. He (or she) doesn't have to like it. They just have to do it. STS1(SS) USN, Ret
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SPC Lee Taylor
SPC Lee Taylor
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs - WELL KID. U have NEVER been through what I have. U EARN real respect. And idiots like u would just get the min. done with ZERO respect.
My dad told all 5 of his boys that there were people that didn't make it home from Nam. And it was for being a dick which is what u are.
I give rank respect and I give true respect and believe me u want TRUE respect over JUST rank respect. And because in what I was put into in my time in and what I have done in the civilian world I got top pay raises everywhere I went and had people coming to me for answers. And a B**** like u would have had others to deal with above ur and it would not have bothered me one bit and I DID make that happen to an Idiot like u
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PO2 Roland Lemus
PO2 Roland Lemus
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PO1 David Swift - I got in 1982, and my first encounter with my PO2 I was a seaman a the time, was, if you do something stupid in our group, I will punch, hard, if you it again, I will put you on the ground, do you understand? I was like, yep!! lol, we became friends later, but he was serious, and during my enlistment, all the rules changed.
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CPO Jeffrey Bohemier
CPO Jeffrey Bohemier
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There’s a time and place for it to be a job. BUT…. as a member of the military, members need to quickly understand that their supervisors aren’t required to explain either their actions or orders, ESPECIALLY when you’re deployed. And keep in mind, when we’re not deployed, we’re training. While there’s some leeway during training, nobody should expect much, as we’re supposed to train as though we’re deployed. I have very little tolerance for leaders and supervisors that abuse and take advantage of those that they’re supposed to be leading. And I have even less for junior personnel who think it’s perfectly fine to do as they wish instead of following the instructions of those appointed over them. I have ABSOLUTELY NO TOLERANCE FOR DISRESPECTING OTHERS, wether going up or down the Chain of Command. Junior personnel need to remember that they’re in the MILITARY, not high school.
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CW3 Bill Wynne
CW3 Bill Wynne
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IN GERMANY, 1968, IT WAS CALLED 'HEAD AND SHOULDER COUNCELING'. FEW REPEAT OFFENDERS.
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