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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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It must be nipped in the bud quickly and without hesitation. Having had a few minutes to think about it, here goes....
PFC Shitbird and his team leader stand fast. All others fall out and carry on.

Have PFC Dipshit stand by while I ensure his team leader knows what my expectations are; "Instant obedience to lawful orders. Period. Any other answer is unacceptable. The fact that PFC Dipshit thinks it is okay to open his trap is a direct reflection of your leadership. Take a look at how you are leading and determine how this could happen."

To PFC Dipshit; "If you have decided to end your time in the military you have chosen a sure-fire method. If you do not comply with lawful orders, it will eventually end with you on a bus headed for home. But only after spending the next few weeks/months becoming the example of what not to do. If that is what you want, we will go there. If not, get your ass moving on what you were ordered to do."
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1SG Brigade S4 Logistics Ncoic
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PFC would have a coming to Jesus. Each soldier is given one good fuck up a year, to bad they had to waste theirs on being a smart ass in formation. This is the soldier that completes the sand plie move detail.
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CPT Jay Ward
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Explain to the PFC that even McDonald's expects employees to carry out work assignments and if he persists in his attitude he might get a chance. A discussion of your options under UCMJ wouldn't hurt.
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SGT Richard Chelvan
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Soldier needs to be counseled by immediate chain of command in case of extenuating circumstances only. Article 15 with a definite pay cut if situation persists, demotion and possibly dishonorable discharge. At least that's how it was done in the 82nd Airborne Division. Any lapse of discipline in the airborne infantry was not tolerated!
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SSG Eric Blue
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1SG (Join to see) - I only wish that were true. I had NO ROOM for error. Otherwise, any number of fucked-up and/or dangerous things could have happened to me.
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Praise in public, punish in private. "You stand fast after formation." Give him a chance to explain insubordination. Mandatory counseling. If he is defiant in private after getting the chance then burn him. ART15. Sometimes people are defiant because something happened and they feel out of control so they try to take it wherever they can no matter how inappropriate. Sometimes a wife cheated or a parent died. Sometimes the hospital calls and congratulates you on having cancer. To outright burn a Joe without gathering the facts is irresponsible and we would want someone breathing down our neck to take that extra moment to consider what might be going on too. If it's nothing more than attitude and a shitty personality then by all means light that dead Christmas tree and know you probably saved lives downrange.
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CPL(P) Tech Ops Fleet Management
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MSgt Brian Williams agreed on the prizes. But if we shoot from the hip too readily we end up as part of the problem.
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SPC Howard Howe
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1rst offense get public reprimand. second offense gets paper and punishment. Third AR15 and NRFFP and NRFR (Not Recommended for Further Promotion/ Not Recommended For Re-enlistment). 4th offense Bad Conduct Discharge, The Army does not have time for screw ups.
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CPL(P) Tech Ops Fleet Management
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SPC Howard Howe yes public reprimand, then figure out out behind closed doors. Don't fail as a leader. If they made it through basic and ait/tech then there's an investment worth trying to save.
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SSG Michael Fraer
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MAJ (Join to see) - If he/she is being a shithead, I sure wouldn't give them an AR-15 - they might turn it on you and make you leak that precious bodily fluid called blood all over the place. Now, if you were to give said hero an Art. 15, that's another story.

And yes, I know what your original intent was...just had to yank your chain a bit...no disrespect intended.
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PO1 David Gibbens
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I can speak from experience on this one. On my first boat( yes I'm a submariner) as an E3 I was made Deck Div LPO, AKA Leading Seaman. While passing out the day's job assignments, I was told "f@#k no" by one of the new seaman. I was shocked to say the least. I went to the 1st LT, a TMCS, and informed him of my situation. He told me in no uncertain terms to take said individual to the back of the work barge and show him the error of his ways. I did so, physically. The young man never questioned me again.
Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me give you my opinion on this matter. This was the late '70s. We were still in the Viet Nam mind set. However; when did the military go from being a gung ho military organization to a job? "Ask him what's wrong". Really?! When you're at 400ft and there's a fire in the Torpedo Room, or you're someplace where people are shooting at you are you really going to take no as an answer?? Or are you going to kick him in his ass, and get him motivated to move in the right direction? I spent 20 years in the Submarine Force and I've seen people come and go. And the ones that went were sent haze gray and underway on surface ships. Which, BTW, was the same as failing. Next time someone tells a senior NCO he doesn't want to do something, point out that the contract he signed doesn't say anything about liking it. He (or she) doesn't have to like it. They just have to do it. STS1(SS) USN, Ret
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Sgt Aaron Cook
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The difference is now people who don't want to be in the military somehow join it willingly.
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SPC Howard Howe
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SPC Brian Ezell - But it works on a certain type of level and can solve some situations. But is best done in private.
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SFC Professional Business Owner
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Which is a shame.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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I am also a product of the military in the 70's, but early on. I have to say it depends. If the person in question had done well, or even just met expectations I would want to know what is going on. If the person has been a s#$%bird from the get go, he's about to get smoked big time. If a little fan room counseling does not result in proper attitude correction, he's would have had a visit with DivO and having gone that far, most likely, the CO. That said, if he were the latter type, there probably would have already been several informal and umm ... creative interventions.

I only had a couple of problem children, and was always able to help them see the light without any official actions to enter onto their records. BTW when I was XPO of a small unit, both O-in-Cs had risen through the ranks to SCPO as Bubbleheads. Most of what I learned about leadership I learned from them. (They both transfer ed over to the CG after being refused shore duty so they could spend more time with their families.)
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