Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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It must be nipped in the bud quickly and without hesitation. Having had a few minutes to think about it, here goes....
PFC Shitbird and his team leader stand fast. All others fall out and carry on.

Have PFC Dipshit stand by while I ensure his team leader knows what my expectations are; "Instant obedience to lawful orders. Period. Any other answer is unacceptable. The fact that PFC Dipshit thinks it is okay to open his trap is a direct reflection of your leadership. Take a look at how you are leading and determine how this could happen."

To PFC Dipshit; "If you have decided to end your time in the military you have chosen a sure-fire method. If you do not comply with lawful orders, it will eventually end with you on a bus headed for home. But only after spending the next few weeks/months becoming the example of what not to do. If that is what you want, we will go there. If not, get your ass moving on what you were ordered to do."
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SGT Richard Chelvan
SGT Richard Chelvan
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Soldier needs to be counseled by immediate chain of command in case of extenuating circumstances only. Article 15 with a definite pay cut if situation persists, demotion and possibly dishonorable discharge. At least that's how it was done in the 82nd Airborne Division. Any lapse of discipline in the airborne infantry was not tolerated!
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SSG Eric Blue
SSG Eric Blue
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1SG (Join to see) - I only wish that were true. I had NO ROOM for error. Otherwise, any number of fucked-up and/or dangerous things could have happened to me.
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MAJ Miyoko Bell
MAJ Miyoko Bell
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SGT Tony Shope complacency kills. If such behavior is allowed to grow foster and be rewarded, in combat situations it kills. Group punishment is not fair but it Drives very important messages home. Work as a team, there is no space for I in team. Shut your trap and listen. Embrace the suck.
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PO3 Michael Maples
PO3 Michael Maples
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Had a clown NAS Bermuda tell Senior Chief " Old man, you can't make me do a damn thing". Senior just grinned a little " You're right there son, but I CAN make you wish the hell you had." That idiot was gone the next day probably to the brig in Charlestown SC
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Praise in public, punish in private. "You stand fast after formation." Give him a chance to explain insubordination. Mandatory counseling. If he is defiant in private after getting the chance then burn him. ART15. Sometimes people are defiant because something happened and they feel out of control so they try to take it wherever they can no matter how inappropriate. Sometimes a wife cheated or a parent died. Sometimes the hospital calls and congratulates you on having cancer. To outright burn a Joe without gathering the facts is irresponsible and we would want someone breathing down our neck to take that extra moment to consider what might be going on too. If it's nothing more than attitude and a shitty personality then by all means light that dead Christmas tree and know you probably saved lives downrange.
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SPC Howard Howe yes public reprimand, then figure out out behind closed doors. Don't fail as a leader. If they made it through basic and ait/tech then there's an investment worth trying to save.
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SSG Michael Fraer
SSG Michael Fraer
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MAJ (Join to see) - If he/she is being a shithead, I sure wouldn't give them an AR-15 - they might turn it on you and make you leak that precious bodily fluid called blood all over the place. Now, if you were to give said hero an Art. 15, that's another story.

And yes, I know what your original intent was...just had to yank your chain a bit...no disrespect intended.
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SGT Peter Wilks
SGT Peter Wilks
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Totally agree with GySgt Pepper!!!
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SGT Gary Tob
SGT Gary Tob
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No excuses for not obeying a lawful order, period
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PO1 David Gibbens
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I can speak from experience on this one. On my first boat( yes I'm a submariner) as an E3 I was made Deck Div LPO, AKA Leading Seaman. While passing out the day's job assignments, I was told "f@#k no" by one of the new seaman. I was shocked to say the least. I went to the 1st LT, a TMCS, and informed him of my situation. He told me in no uncertain terms to take said individual to the back of the work barge and show him the error of his ways. I did so, physically. The young man never questioned me again.
Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me give you my opinion on this matter. This was the late '70s. We were still in the Viet Nam mind set. However; when did the military go from being a gung ho military organization to a job? "Ask him what's wrong". Really?! When you're at 400ft and there's a fire in the Torpedo Room, or you're someplace where people are shooting at you are you really going to take no as an answer?? Or are you going to kick him in his ass, and get him motivated to move in the right direction? I spent 20 years in the Submarine Force and I've seen people come and go. And the ones that went were sent haze gray and underway on surface ships. Which, BTW, was the same as failing. Next time someone tells a senior NCO he doesn't want to do something, point out that the contract he signed doesn't say anything about liking it. He (or she) doesn't have to like it. They just have to do it. STS1(SS) USN, Ret
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1SG Michael Farrell
1SG Michael Farrell
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We had a kid show up back in the Motorized days of 9ID at Fort Lewis; he came in and announced that his father was a division CSM. I looked at his new platoon SGT and smiled evilly. Then I asked if planned on having his dad call me? I then called the DISCOM CSM and told him what was going on with this kid. He said he'd take care of letting the Division and Corps CSMs about this lunk head. Well, he was a problem soldier, and finally was seen in the All Ranks club cutting himself with a plastic knife. So, he went off to Mental Health for evaluation and then spent a couple of days watching the Army go by. Then, his dad showed up, and didn't stop off along the way; I found that interesting. He told me, "Top, if he's had a fair shake and can't or won't be a good soldier, Chapter his ass." We did about a month later.
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PO3 Steven Taylor
PO3 Steven Taylor
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Not sure what the cause was but when I was on USS Independence, CV62 in the early 70's as a Boiler Tech I went around the back of one of the boilers to get a feed bottom tank sounding. There was BTC Moore, who we called Sgt. Rock giving a young E2's some motivation. He had him balanced on the edge of the deck plates and punching him in the forehead, where his head would snap back and bounce of the bulkhead then pop him again. I just went about my business, and as it happened the guy was a punk anyway and had it coming. Later in that cruise he wound up getting caught buying drugs off some Italian undercover Polizia and was tossed in the Italian slammer, where he probably still is to this day.
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Sgt Steven Baldwin
Sgt Steven Baldwin
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Agreed! Was just about to say exactly what you wrote, "you don't have to like it you just have to f-ING do it!"
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SPC Lee Taylor
SPC Lee Taylor
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs - I would make life miserable for him and take his money. He would get strickes against him and make sure he understands that he keeps things up his way out will make it so he cannot be employed by anyone with a gov. contract.
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