Posted on Mar 10, 2019
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I just got here to ft lee as an 92y 4 weeks ago and my drills seargent Just told me my orders are to ft Campbell ky I’m from Louisville so that’s a big ups on me but he told me that they Will FORCE me to attend Air Assault School even if I deny . I really have no problem with going to Air assault but I’ve been through basic (19 weeks) I got recycled because of a dislocated shoulder and AIT (8 weeks) I just want some time to myself a little and get started on my online classes I understand it’s only 10 days but I want to go in the best shape mentally and physically so can someone let me know will I be forced against my will to do something I’m not comfortable with doing now?
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SGM Operations Ncoic
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You will go. You won't go immediately. You will go the next time your BN hits white cycle after you get there. Or the next white cycle after that.
The school is a 0600 to about 1530 day, then you go home to your own barracks or house every day, because it is right down the street from whatever unit you get.
You will have the same amount of time to get to online classes during AASLT as you would on a normal day at your unit, possibly more time.
However, this is a good object lesson for you in how Army works.
You will have to do things in the Army when you feel like it is not the best possible time for you to do so.
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SGM Operations Ncoic
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1LT William Clardy - I find myself telling some troops that, along with, "just like how civilian jobs don't exist for the benefit or convenience of the employee".
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1LT William Clardy
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Not a comparison I would make, SGM (Join to see).
Civilian jobs are supposed to be a fair trade (as in roughly equivalent values) of wages for work (physical or intellectual). There's no way any society could afford to pay fair wages to service members who are seriously expected to risk life and limb in the routine course of their duties.
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CPT Daniel Cox
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SGM Jeff Mccloud; SSG Davis; PVT Jason Mchuntly - As I recall (and it has been more than a few years since I last served, not everyone on Fort Campbell is part of the 101st. Are those not part of the Division also expected to go to AASLT? With all the changes due to BRAC since I was in, I know a lot of bases that were formerly unit-centric now have a lot of non-Divisional assets.
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1LT William Clardy - Yes, and I agree, to a point. It stinks that text format doesn't translate sardonic humor better. That said, too often "needs of the Army" is used as an excuse to needlessly load subordinates with unnecessary stress or to introduce unnecessary chaos into the lives of servicemembers.
I've had plenty of occasions where a particular day (or week, month, or year) was just going to suck because a situation dictated that those were the conditions and nothing could be done about it (like I tell my wife, you KNOW you're in the Army when you find yourself in the Hindu Kush mountains, on the top of your hooch, cutting corrugated steel roofing with a pocket knife in the middle of an electrical storm).
I've also seen leaders (and been on the business end of leaders) who've made servicemembers go through lousy situations because it was easier to mindlessly croak "needs of the Army" rather than to go to leadership and make a case why a particular box didn't need checking at that particular time, or for that particular soldier, or under those particular circumstances. Frankly, it happens often enough that many of the finest soldiers I've ever met have decided to walk away from the Army and ETS when they were otherwise disposed to stay in, keep giving exemplary service and mentorship to junior enlisted, and go for retirement.
All I'm saying is that "needs of the Army" is a two-edged sword. If it's used sparingly and soldiers know that their leaders are in their corner and use "needs of the Army" only when they've exhausted all other reasonable courses of action, soldiers do pretty well. But any leader, NCO channel, or chain of command can only get away with using "needs of the Army" so many times before soldiers start being filled with resentment and replying "fuck this shit" when it's time to re-up. And in my experience, flinging "needs of the Army" at soldiers without a damned good reason is the number one preventable reason for soldiers to ETS rather than to keep being valuable resources to the Army.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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PVT (Join to see) your unit will not send you unless you can do the obstacle course, particularly the 30' rope climb on the tough one and the weaver and the 12 mile ruck March. They just won't. You may get 'encouraged', but there it is.

I would have given anything to have done AASLT and Pathfinder while at Campbell, but was injured training for said obstacle course, then deployed, then PCSed immediately.
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SGT Jmajik Jmann
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Sir: You are on point and yes, it is a challenging course; just l;like Jump School was at Benning but it depends upon a soldiers motives and reasons. I volunteered for both AAST and Jump School partly because my dad was a 2 time Vietnam Vet--(1/75 RGR. RGMT) yet, I was with 2/325th INF. RGMT. (2nd BGDE BCT) 82nd ABN DIV. however, the training dynamics and qualification criteria have changed since I ETS'd in 1992 after Desert Storm, mainly because my Mother didn't want to be given another flag by a 4 star General, as was the case with my younger brother. Overall if I had it all to do again COL., I would without hesitation.
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SGT Jmajik Jmann
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SGT Jmajik Jmann - Excuse my spelling for AASLT and the word like.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
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No. But, yes. You cannot be forced to attend AASLT school. And you will not be sent until you are ready. But the 101 is an AASLT Division, and there will be multiple ways to encourage you to attend and pass.

I got to Campbell at the age of 40, having not run in the last two years due to profile. Among the first things my 1SG said to me was "when are you going to be ready for AASLT?"
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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MSG Ernest Bryson - But you got to rappel out of a helicopter too and hang out with us Grunts ;^). That alone should have made it worth the trip.
Kind of how I felt about OCS, which is based around the Infantry Company. I got to do the same stuff I had been doing for 2 1/2 years while getting yelled at by people that went not as good at it as me. Then you go to Infantry Officer Basic Course and the first part of it is learning the stuff that I already knew from my former unit and again from OCS. The Army sure believes that repetition is still the best method of learning.
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MSG Ernest Bryson
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CPT Lawrence Cable - I learned to rappel in Korea, rigging loads and Hookin'em was a daily. But, because 72 Hooks sat on Campbell's runways at the time(not counting TF), by God you were going!
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SGT Jmajik Jmann
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CPT Cable--MSG Bryson: Yes I went Voluntarily as well as Jump School at Benning but overall, it was more of a personal challenge--Physical limitations than for promotion. Korea taught me discipline as well as the 82nd at Bragg yet, the Ranger Indoctrination is tough, mainly because it really tests a soldier's overall physical--mental limitations as well as the development of leadership skills & discipline if faced with battle. Desert Storm was like a few other conflicts that seem to be forgotten yet, a lot of guys I served with meant more to me than just earning wings--tabs and stripes. Great points in your posts......
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SPC Cesar Freytes
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MSG Ernest Bryson MSG Bryson - I learned to repel when I was !5 years old but still had to go to air assault school. At your rank you should have enough time to know that everything in the military and for that fact the government in general, you have to qualify and STAY qualified . I was Coast Guard before I was Army, anyway I retired from the U.S Fish & Wildlife Service and while in, I had to qualify and stay qualified in small boats by the Fish & Wildlife Service personnel trained by the US Coast Guard ironic yes but government, get used it
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