Posted on Nov 6, 2017
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
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WO candidates need at least one letter from a senior WO in the MOS you you are applying for (in your case, an Army aviator) - the others can be from your chain of command or from officers or senior NCO's who KNOW YOU. Letters from people who know you are MUCH BETTER than those from people who don't and it will be evident to the board which are which. Personally, I refuse to write letters for candidates I don't know and I think it's a bad practice - regardless, I would think a board would not give such a letter much weight and it could jeopardize your packet. If you can only obtain a letter from a senior WO who will interview you - that will suffice. Every senior WO should be willing to take the time to interview a candidate. Don't submit a canned letter from someone you've never spoken to (some recruiters and candidates will solicit such letters). I assume you have a WO recruiter helping you, if you don't find one.

The point is focus your efforts on letters from those who know you and meet the requirements of the letters. I doubt submitting five letters will have much more effect than three - quality, not quantity. If you meet the requirements they will take you. A proper letter needs to contain the POC's phone, email and unit information at the bottom of the narrative - they will be later contacted by the branch schoolhouse with how well you did. Make sure their MOS and branch are clearly stated at the bottom. I've written a couple dozen of these letters over the last ten years or so.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
CW5 Sam R. Baker
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Having sat accessions boards, the more letters you have over the requirement actually detract from the packet with an opinion that there is a reason someone would require more than the minimum to speak for them. I have spoken about knowing and not knowing the applicant in the string already.
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
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CW5 Sam R. Baker - Well, there it is SGT Behrendt! Don't submit more than the required number.
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CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr.
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You are not in the Aviation community and the Selection Board understands if you cannot get an Aviator to write you an LOR. I know, I sat on selection boards. I see you are a Wheeled Vehicle Maintenance Tech. Contact you BN Maintenance Warrant and get a letter from him if he will do so. Get letters from individuals in your chain of Command; specifically your 1SG, CO and BN CDR. Letters from people that you don't know and who don't know you turn out generic and, as a rule show that, and are generally disregarded by the selection board. REAL letters from REAL [people who know you personally are far more impactful especially if you have no access to a Senior WO. Good Luck
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CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr.
CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr.
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Chain of Command Letters are essential for you as well!!!!
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CW4 Anthoney Lowry
CW4 Anthoney Lowry
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SGT (Join to see) - I highly encourage you to check the minimum prerequisites for 153A. It states specifically that you must have a digitally signed LOR from an Army Aviator (CW3 -CW5)

"All In-Service applicants must have a digitally signed letter of recommendation from an Army Aviator (CW3 to CW5) currently serving (Not Retired). In-Service Applicants may supplement (not replace) the Army Aviator (CW3-CW5) LOR with hand signed LOR's from Retired Army Aviators as desired...."

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/WO153A.shtml
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SGT Platoon Sergeant
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CW4 Anthoney Lowry - I did after his comment and you are correct. I do have to have an LOR from an Active Duty (or AR) Pilot. I need a minimum of 3 LORs but a max of 5. My goal is to get the other 2 to be retired pilots. Thanks for your comment.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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CW4 Anthoney Lowry - you sir, are 100% correct, not to discredit Mr. Jones, but things change and the packet process has changed drastically and is updated annually. A 153A packet requires a Aviation FG WO LOR.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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I have personally done over the phone and packet reviews for consideration of a LOR. There are those who disagree with this procedure, however the board who votes you in is the same as my review of your packet. Qualifications and accuracy in filling it out are paramount metrics as is the APFT Score, some college, the SIFT score and the packet as presented. I have received inquires from RP also over the years and have had success in getting folks before the board. I do know that PERSONAL interviews tend to lead folks into a lesser qualified pool of applicants as those we serve with at times have not met what we wish to be the best metrics. Personal knowledge of an applicant can take away the objectivity of that applicant. Of the two non-selects LORs I'd written, they both flew int he aircraft with me. Because of our wartime service in the aircraft, I felt compelled to write about their hard work, yet all the other metrics the board uses were not met. So reach out to folks and go for it if that is what you truly want. Advice, when doing so, make sure your packet is wrapped tight and error free, nothing worse than presenting yourself with grammar issues and the inability to follow the guide for the application.
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I do as well. One of the issues we face in the USAR is geographical dispersion. The USAR in Puerto Rico at one point had no QM branch Warrant Officers CW3 or higher. This place a recruiting challenge so the USAR WO recruiter and I set up a routine where he would send me their required documentation and I would review, then schedule a call to the prospective candidate for an interview. So far I am 3 for 3 for selecting QM WO candidates from that recruiter.
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