Posted on Jul 5, 2020
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What are everyone’s thoughts about the removal of the DA photo from Officers, Warrant Officers, and Enlisted promotion boards?
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COL Howard McGillin
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What value did the photo add for a selection board? If you were overweight you should have been flagged and ineligible for promotion. Does being able to set up your uniform correctly make you qualified for promotion? What if you wore badges you weren't authorized to wear? Frankly there is little or no value added. It seems more likely to be the source of implicit bias. I sat on one selection board - it was accessions so the candidates weren't in uniform. The photo added NOTHING to the discussion. If the person has a good record that is what you needed to know - "potential for increased responsibility" is the main criteria. I honestly cannot say that the photo made any positive or negative impressions on me - but the possibility of implicit bias is strong. Take a look at the Harvard site on implicit bias and take one of their tests for yourself - it will open your eyes.
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COL Howard McGillin
COL Howard McGillin
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SGM (Join to see) - I was a JAGC Colonel and am West Point Grad with prior FA time - and have seen at least one soldier in a Court Martial try to wear a Ranger Tab that he was NOT authorized.....so unfortunately it happens......
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CSM Chief Medical NCO
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Could not down vote, not enough influence... Speaking only for the enlisted, when you are up for selection board, it matters. At the SFC and MSG level, it is very competitive and you need all the tools available to decide who should be selected. It might come down to the NCO that wears all approved awards vs. someone that did not care about details of wearing awards in the correct order. Yes, NCOERs is where the main data comes from, but so many are rated number 1 and the best ever if all NCOS I worked with in my xx year career.
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LTC David Merritt
LTC David Merritt
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As a physician with a CMB, CAB, Flight Surgeon Wings, Airborne, and Scuba badges, a DA photo allowed me to stand out in the few seconds my file got looked at, when judged along with fellow physicians
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LCDR Aviation Maintenance Duty Officer
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CSM (Join to see) - Even if you did have the influence, this isn't Reddit. Down votes on this site are reserved for "this post is fucked up" rather than "I disagree with this."
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SFC Patient Service Tech
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Well....if removed....that will save me a 6 hour drive (round trip) for a 5 minute photo session.
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SSG Security Specialist
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It also saves us from seeing you too :)
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SFC Patient Service Tech
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SSG (Join to see) - Yea....I can break some camera my mug is so ugly
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SSG Security Specialist
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SFC (Join to see) - A face for radio and a voice for print
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SFC Patient Service Tech
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SSG (Join to see) - Something like that
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SGM Gerald Fife
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By having a photo in your packet the board members could be racist if they knew you. So, IMHO, maybe it is a good idea. The word, racist, is too strong. I should say, discriminatory or biased. I was under the impression the photo removal was only for officers and would start Aug 1.
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MSG Reid Zohfeld
MSG Reid Zohfeld
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What a dumb thing to even bring up
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SGM Vs Senior Enlisted Consultant
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Yep! More than dumb...stupid!MSG Reid Zohfeld
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1LT Health Physics
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"the requirement for officer, warrant officer, and enlisted selection boards to include the DA Photo as part of the board file is suspended. Data that identifies a Soldier’s race, ethnicity, and gender on the Officer Record Brief or Enlisted Record Brief will be redacted as a part of the board file. These changes will help ensure that selection boards are as fair and impartial as possible."
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
MAJ Ronnie Reams
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Wow, I guess that means eliminating first name as that often a give away as to gender. Does Army just use initials now?
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