Posted on Feb 20, 2020
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I'm currently in transition in a WTB unit and was told by the company 1SG that I can not wear my diamond while in the WTB. I am still the 1SG of my unit and have not had a change-of-responsibility. I have researched AR 40-58 (WTB Reg) and some other regs but can not find anything that mandates this diamond removal. I feel as though this is more of a personal issue for the company 1SG versus an Army mandated policy. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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What is your rank and duty position?
Are you TDY to the WTU, or have you been reassigned?
You didn't just pin on 1SG rank when assigned to the position, and I'm not certain you have the authority to laterally appoint yourself from 1SG to MSG.
I'm certain that 1SG isn't the lateral appointment authority, though.
If the 1SG wants that to happen, he should submit paperwork to have it done.
I suggest requesting an appointment with the first CSM in the WTU NCOSC to request clarification.
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1SG First Sergeant 91 Z50
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I think this hits the nail on the head. Your orders will state the reason for this assignment and the rank you hold. 1SG is a rank associated with a duty position, you recieve orders to that affect and thats the rank you hold until your duty position changes and you recieve new orders.
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MAJ Deputy S1
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I agree completely. If you are still in that duty appointed position, and still on the UMR for your unit as a 1SG, then you retain the diamond.

If you are no longer the 1SG on the UMR then someone needs to make sure you have orders latterallybtransfering your position on the UMR to an appropriate position and authorizing the rank of MSG.
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This.
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Hypothetically, if they have administrative authority over you while there.
First Sergeants are kind of like highlanders - there can be only one.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
1SG Dennis Hicks
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SPC Jim McCormick - Do pushups :)
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1SG Dennis Hicks
1SG Dennis Hicks
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1SG (Join to see) - Top I know this is late and not saying there was never a 5M SQI/ASI but the 5 designated MSG/1SG When you stop being 1SG after your tour the only thing that changes is your are laterally changed back to MSG. you don't lose a skill identifier unless that skill is no longer on the list. I kept by 5W (Jumpmaster) even as a leg. Never received orders for 1SG, I was appointed on DA4187 and reappointed as a MSG when one of my 1SG tours was over. The only exception with orders was my regiment orders that showed me as a retired 1SG which stands till I take my dirt nap.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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SPC Jim McCormick - Recover now beat your face :) It worked for me :)
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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I would hazard a guess that as long as your are still assigned to your unit back home you are still their 1SG. You were laterally appointed 1SG by your commander as long as he is still your commander then its his perogative. This is one of the situations where you have to weigh the cost of wearing your rightful rank agains negative attention from folks who control your short term career. Things may go easier if you just throw MSG rank on and get off the radar. This is just me and I am a bit of an asshole but I would respectfully tell the WTC 1SG thanks for your suggestion I will take it under advisement. I am a retired 1SG and I wear my Uniform with my 1SG rank all the time while at activities with the unit 1SG there and have never had an issue. While its very rare to have 1SG's at WTC back when I worked a MOB platform I saw at least 2 attached to the WTC's and the unit 1SG's had zero issues with them wearing their rank. I don't know the whole story but I would guess the WTC has some kind of uncalled for issue with anyone but him/her wearing the diamond in his unit.
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1SG Michael Farrell
1SG Michael Farrell
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I think that we have a weak First Sergeant concerned with his own status and perceived authority. We all tend to be cocky dealing with outsiders, and unfortunately, these situations where we are assigned administratively somewhere but will really assigned somewhere else as the First Sergeant really can seem weird. If you're First Sergeant of a company with a bunch of attached or TDY First Sergeants, it's a fairly limited position. So, be polite, and decide if you want to win or you want your life to work. Then act accordingly.
I know that for me, the greatest reward of being TOP was that there were a limited number of idiots who could make me do something stupid. Therefore, once I became a First Sergeant and had the identifier, I tried like hell to never take it off again.
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PV2 Jon Terhune
PV2 Jon Terhune
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when i was a First Sergeant, a long time ago, when you had been a 1SG for a least a year, your MOS changed from whatever it had been, to a 1SG administrative one. If you were still in that position, even thou you were temporarily assigned somewhere else, that was still your rank and MOS.
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Agree with everything except biting your tongue. SGM Erik Marquez
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SGM Erik Marquez
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SGM (Join to see) - My point was "Take care of yourself" for some, that may mean, avoiding any additional mental stress to focus on self care.
For me it would be more stressful to hold my tongue and not push back ...so Id be addressing the issue forth with. But for another avoiding the confrontation might be a better choice.
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