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E-4 - PO3
E-4 - PO3
Posted on Jan 25, 2019
Was there anything I could have done to prevent loss of rank and being unable to re-enlist due to gundecking?
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I was being trained to do maintenance on a 76mm gun mount and system when I was instructed to sign for the maintenance by my trainer. Later I was accused of gundecking because my signature was on the maintenance log. Due to this, I lost my rank and rate and was transferred to another department. This led to me only putting in 5 years instead of the hopeful 20 due to losing rank and not meeting the rank needed to reenlist. Was there anything I could have done to prevent the outcome?
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If you are not looking to re-enlist, and just want your rank back, when did this occur and what do you hope to gain in getting your rank back? I only ask because I don't see much of a difference for you having a honorable discharge already. And no one can take away the fact that you did hold a higher rank. As some have already stated, you can petition the BCNR (the Army has a similar system--ABCMR), and the worst they can do is deny it. If you can find some guys you served with that can back up your story and are willing to do sworn statements, that is usually a good route to go with those board reviews.
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SN James Kang Then I agree with the other recommendation, the corrections boards for the branches are usually the only ones who can change records once you are out. I don't know what the website for the Navy one is but I am sure you can google it like the Army one. I stand by what I said though, get at least two sworn statements (if you can) to make your case stronger. Otherwise it might be difficult to prove.
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SN James Kang
CW3 (Join to see) if I cant get to sworn statements, what is the possibility of getting approval to get reinstated to PO3?
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SN James Kang Getting "reinstated" to me means coming back in. That means your re-enlistment code on your DD 214 must allow it. If not, you might still need to goto the corrections board to get that changed and/or work with a recruiter. Otherwise, as I said, as far as I know those records corrections boards in every branch are the only ones I know they can change/modify military records once a service member is out. If you are serious, contact them. See what your options are. It also couldn't hurt to see if you can get any advice from a Navy JAG counsel. Another option is becoming a reservist or National Guardsman (again, if a recruiter for those can get you in under your particular RE code). So you could gain your rank back serving part time.
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PO3 Samantha Knight
Getting advice from a Navy JAG is your best bet since the paper trail is working against you. Getting an unfavorable reenlistment code could be addressed with the Navy JAG as well, if only for directions on how to change it. I got out with an honorable discharge with an unfavorable reenlistment code, and the recruiters I tried working with wouldn't touch it with a 10-ft. pole. But other than that, it didn't touch anything in my civilian career. I wish you luck in this situation, you sound young, so from an older woman to a younger person: Please, please, please never put your signature on anything you are unsure of. Doing so says whatever you are signing for has happened. I would rather get in trouble for not putting my signature on something then giving it. Please keep us posted on how this turns out for you, and I wish you all the luck!
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I don't see any recourse unless you can provide evidence that you performed the maintenance. If you can prove it, you have nothing to lose by submitting an application to the Board For Correction of Naval Records (BCNR). It's a DD Form 149 if I remember correctly.
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SN James Kang
I cant prove that I did the maintenance because I was being trained and the trainer told me to sign it. When I got UCMJ/NJP, the trainer never stepped forward and admitted to having me sign the maintenance log. A BMC was the one who called me out on it when they had me point out any and all different houses and wires.
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I do not know what "gundecking" is; However you can appeal what happened to you to BCNR (Board of Correction of Navy Records), and if they approve your request that can reinstate you grade and change your RE code.
What is your RE code by the way?
What is your RE code by the way?
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SN James Kang
I believe my RE code is 3R. But it's too late for me to reenlist but I would like to get my rank back at least. If i decided to appeal with BCNR, would you be able to assist/guide me?
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SPC Chris Ison
Sorry no. I have never had to petition BCNR.
Honestly, all you have is your statement, and i do not think that would be enough.
Why is it too late for you to reenlist? A 3r code is probably easily overcome.
RE-3R – Not meeting the professional growth criteria (See reference (b) 1160-030).
This means you were an E-3 at or past the four year mark, i recall you said you were in for 5 years. That makes complete sense to me.
Max active duty time for an E-3 is 6 years.
You can enlist up to like age 44 (with 5 years active) in the national guard. and a 3r code means nothing.
being rated by the VA doesn't bar enlistment in a reserve unit either.
Honestly, all you have is your statement, and i do not think that would be enough.
Why is it too late for you to reenlist? A 3r code is probably easily overcome.
RE-3R – Not meeting the professional growth criteria (See reference (b) 1160-030).
This means you were an E-3 at or past the four year mark, i recall you said you were in for 5 years. That makes complete sense to me.
Max active duty time for an E-3 is 6 years.
You can enlist up to like age 44 (with 5 years active) in the national guard. and a 3r code means nothing.
being rated by the VA doesn't bar enlistment in a reserve unit either.
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