Posted on Jul 14, 2015
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I'm curious to know what job opportunities are available to retired E8's and E9's. I know for retired officers, civilian executive level positions will probably be calling after a successful military career. Have any E8's and E9's gone on to pursue a successful civilian career in executive level leadership?
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LTC George J Salerno
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I am going to offer you the same advice I gave to someone asking a similar question as an officer, as the issues are the same. It is the same perspective. Here is what I said (with additional input):
"Understand exactly from where you are coming (I'm still there after 5 years). The civil sector does not know what to do with retirees. The do not understand nor value the managerial and leadership experience. Unless you have a sure hook in the government sector, you won't get in to the GS13-15 positions that match the military experiences of an LTC (E7-E9 either). In the private sector, they have no idea as they are ignorant of the skill sets of most military (I say this academically, not provocatively).
For those retiring, I offer this advice I wish I did. You do not need a job right away. You are blessed in having the retirement and won't starve or lose a house (though personal variables differ). Take the time to learn what you want to do for the rest of your next career. If you take a job because you need or think you need it, that will be the industry in which you will be labeled (i.e. I took a gov't job as a QA Specialist, that was my label until I worked for a bank in Bus Continuity; that became my label.)
Networking is the other key. Meet civilians and find some of their networking groups. As a lot of question; do informational interviews. You may find someone who served who will take a chance.
The transition is not easy for most. In my mind, the goal is to find what you want to do rather than need (unless you truly do need)."
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SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM
SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM
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read mine sir, good thought!
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1SG Ernest Oberst
1SG Ernest Oberst
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As a retired Infantryman, I chose to go back to school. At the University of South Carolina I have not only furthered my education but it helped me to ease into the strange world of the civilian!!
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Suzanne King Prior
Suzanne King Prior
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My husband is retired E8 after 30 years of service. Recently lost his job and it's been two months and nothing. For someone with all of his skills and abilities and knowledge you'd think a company would be dying to hire him... unfortunately, however, he's not an officer and does not have a formal college degree. That seems to kill him every time. He shouldn't have to go back to school and pay thousands of dollars and years of his life to re-learn skills he already has. It's very frustrating.
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LTC George J Salerno
LTC George J Salerno
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Suzanne- I agree wholeheartedly and share your frustration. The private sector does not respect the abilities of those retired; officer or Senior NCO. Having a degree doesn't seem to matter. I've been out of work for over a year; the second time in six years. Sometimes we need to look at "re-trading" ourselves to find our niche and what we want to do. I'm about to do it myself.
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MSG Jim Gawne
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I chose to pursue a non-executive position. After over 25 years of leading soldiers, I had no desire to be in leadership.
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MSG Senior Supply/Service Sergeant
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Good for you. I ended my Career as a MSGT at the ARCOM DCSLOG Senior NCO level. Had enough of the politics and pressure and got a job as a re-fuler at a local airport for $7.00 bucks an hour because I love airplanes. Didn't get rich, but loved my job. However that only lasted till the war began and my experience and services were needed at a GS position. The job required support of the troops, and I couldn't say no.
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If I had done all my time active duty and retired after 25 years as an E8-E9, I would just retire. E9 with 25 year will pull in `$3900/month ($2900 after taxes).
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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LTC (Join to see) - I retired at 20, Worked at Sears for $2.50 an hour. got call to Civil Service, worked my self up to GS-12 and a MBA. Gave them 20 and combined my time for 40 years as a GS-12. A couple of rental homes, Social Security, RMD, 100% disability and for the first time hit 6 figures. To old, bad health limits me to hunting and fishing. Set a goal you can reach and GO FOR IT. When you get there, set another one. You did it in the military and the outside is no different.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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It does reach a point where in Military and civilian jobs I was either the supervision or management with anywhere up to 500 people working under My supervision. Despite two retirements, which are My main source of income, I still work but at a stress free job where I'm not overlooking that number of people any longer and don't want to. i'm no longer trying to build a resume, My career is behind Me but I'm also not willing to roll over and play dead either. i keep busy and also spend a lot of time with the American Legion in my free time beside time with My Wife, adult off springs and also Grandchildren. Take care of My home and yard. Guess I squeeze in a little time here also. I read a lot as well, I'm never bored.
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MSgt Shawn Doyle
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My response to this question arises from my personal experience after retiring from the Air Force an E-7 and then looking towards the government civilian sector for a second career opportunity. I started my job search at least 9 months out from my terminal leave date and narrowing my opportunities to those jobs that could be closely related to the technical expertise that I developed while in the military; knowing that it would be these unique skills that I could and would offer an employer to help secure a position within the Federal Government. Though my resume was outlined with numerous leadership positions and highlighted with academic successes, I knew that getting my foot in the door would be my first priority and from there my career advancement would come at my own determination. I have found for the most part that there aren’t too many Federal Government positions that are available for retired or former military members at the higher GS levels (13-15). Most government agencies try to promote from within and there are many civil service employees that have been in the system for years (10-20-30) and they want to advance in their careers just like everyone else and many of them are former military members as well. So, thinking that I would jump to the top was just unrealistic, no matter what I could offer them in the leadership arena. I started my Federal career as a GS-9 just 3 months after my military retirement date and within a year I was a GS-11. Two years later I was a GS-12 and now just 7 years after retirement I’m a GS-13. For each promotion I had to compete for the position against all those who wanted the job and promotion as well, to include former senior NCOs and Officers. I have no doubt that the leadership skills I had developed while in the service contributed to my selections for those positions and promotions, but they were not the only factor. Therefore, I would highly recommend that for those E-7s, 8s and 9s that are looking towards the civil service sector for a second career opportunity, to focus on your technical skills as the primary attractor to a potential employer and then utilize your leadership abilities to advance forward.
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