Gold Star Families Issue Stinging Message To Donald Trump Over Reported War Dead Insults

SPC Kevin Ford -
1) John Bolton was in Paris with Trump when the insults allegedly occurred. He said he never heard them. Numerous other people have said the same thing. If you go by reports such as the Atlantic article, there must be 1000 people in a single room standing next to him listening to everything he says. The truth is he is the President of the USA, there will only be a small number of people allowed near him
2) You complain about conservatives in denial for Trump and yet, almost every day, Democrats and left wing media are trying to cover for the things Biden has said or done or Harris's background
3) There are videos and audio of Biden lying about risking his life to go to Afghanistan to pin a Silver Star on a dying Navy Captain, his college class ranking, his ancestors, etc. He has claimed people aren't black if they don't vote for him. He said black people have no diversity unlike Hispanics, he has women who have accused him of sexual assaults,
The list goes on and on but Democrats continue to cover for him. Talk about hypocrites
4) Add to the fact that if Biden doesn't have a teleprompter to help him, he is lost

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=biden+confused+video&docid= [login to see] 50396746&mid=E90AEFF662F92EE99546E90AEFF662F92EE99546&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

MSG (Join to see) - If Trump doesn't have a Teleprompter the crazy and immoral stuff in his head comes out. I'll take someone with a speech impediment over immoral and crazy any day of the week.

I agree that politicians bend the truth all the time and it drives me crazy. I was just watching a Harris interview with a question on funding police and she twisted herself into knots to say that her position hadn't changed when it clearly had. Just say that you know more now and have a more nuanced position and move on.

Having said that, there is a large difference between the normal twisting of the truth and just plain all out lying that we see from the current POTUS. They just are not in the same league as each other.

As far as Bolton, he said he never heard the POTUS say that, but he also said that the POTUS may have said it when he wasn't around. That is to say, he didn't say he had evidence the story was untrue, only that he couldn't confirm it's veracity outside of the meeting he was in. It seems that Trump's supporters only hear the part of his comments that support what they want to believe. The fact that Bolton didn't say something along the lines of, "oh, he would never say something like that." once again tells us what we need to know.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-09-04/bolton-calls-trump-comments-on-military-despicable-if-accurate-video

A1C Michael Allen - It is quite a bit different than MacArthur. MacArthur worked directly for the POTUS and was disagreeing on legal policy in public view. Vindman's disagreements were not on policy, but instead on what he perceived as illegal activity which he had a duty to report.

While I understand it is a play of right wing press to say he was offering opinion, that also is not factually correct. He did a lot more than offer opinion, and yes he also reported on what his peers and him believed was the command intent.

It all goes to the question of organizational intent and what the leader is allowing the organization believe he wants. This is why that sort of testimony is used in organized crime trials. "Oh, I didn't actually say kill him. I don't know how they ever got that idea. I just said he should get to know fishes better, they jumped to the conclusion I wanted them dead all on their own." Lol.

SPC Kevin Ford -
1) Trump talks to reporters more than any other President, period.
2) There is no doubt that Trump says things that he shouldn't, however; even when he is speaking off the cuff, he doesn't sound like he is lost. He doesn't need a teleprompter unlike Biden. Biden has no idea what is going to come out of his mouth every time he opens it.
3) Saying that someone could have said something when they weren't around is like saying Martians could have landed. You can only speak about what you heard. Bolton was actually on the trip. He never heard it said. No one mentioned it to him afterwards. No one said anything about it until 2 years later and 2 months before an election. The other people on the trip that actually were identified by name said it didn't happen.
Be honest, how much faith would you have in the criminal justice system if you were on trial for a criminal charge based on a statement by an unidentified anonymous "source" that no one, the judge, DA, or anyone else is ever going to personally hear from, know who it was, how much credibility they had, etc
4) Bolton and quite a few other people have been around Trump on a daily basis. To date, Mattis, Kelly, and numerous others who doesn't like Trump and isn't intimidated by him haven't substantiated this claim.

You talk about conservatives ignoring Trump's lies. Biden has a long history of it that Democrats refuse to acknowledge

https://youtu.be/4_FYccNvSyo

SPC Mark Huddleston - Yeah, and so there!

When one's head is oriented toward America first. Else he's extremely offensive, and for good cause.

CPT (Join to see) - Your wasting your time on these hard line Never-Trumpers. John Bolton, no friend of President Trump and freely critical of President Trump, was there and at President Trumps side for all the public time. Bolton says he never heard it, and never heard any rumor or it on the entire trip. That's enough for me to call it a left wing BS hit piece.

Maj John Bell - Absolutely Sir.

Maj John Bell - This is the left's misguided attempt to take the military vote from Trump. They do not realize we don't want friends in the Oval Office, we want leaders that take care of us and the budget differences between Trump and Obama are huge. President Trump can talk all the smack he wants and his actions speak louder than words.

MAJ Byron Oyler - More than any demographic, I believe active duty, reservists, and veterans realize you can have a ornery, mean, shit personality and still be the one to follow in a fight. Possibly the nicest, most pleasant, generous, and self-effacing man I've ever met, inspired no confidence in a single soul in an entire rifle company.