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LT Brad McInnis
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The concept was awesome. The implementation sucked big time. We had to retire them because they flat out didn't work on most levels. The engineering plant was a disaster that cost more than the cost of the ship to keep working and they never knew when the propulsion would fail (kinda sucks when your in combat). The idea of swapping out mission modules was a failure, so they each ended up becoming a single mission ship with no flexibility. So, for the same price, you can buy 2 Raleigh Burke DDG's, that is a proven multi mission capable platform. Sure, it doesn't have an advertised speed of 40+ knots like the littoral, but neither did the littorals either, except for sea trials.
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SSG Samuel Kermon
SSG Samuel Kermon
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Same thinking. Maybe that's why they didn't ask our opinions.
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LT Brad McInnis
LT Brad McInnis
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SSG Samuel Kermon - Oh, don't get me wrong, I was a curmudgeonly crusty ship's engineer and I told them when they wanted out input on the plans that this would never work. Probably why they sent me to work with the Army...
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SSG Samuel Kermon
SSG Samuel Kermon
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LT Brad McInnis talk about a ship out of water....as for being an engineer you have a better grasp of these new propulsion units than I do. So many thanks for including the shortcomings of the new engines.
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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Sure, but other than that.
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SSG Samuel Kermon
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I agree. Why are we retiring vessels that appear to have real serviceable lives yet to give? I understand budgetary concerns, and manpower, but why not more of these smaller ships and fewer carriers? Seems the force structure is geared towards multibillion dollar ships that need escort vessels, that cost hundreds of millions. Wonder if we shouldn't de-mothball some older, better armored vessels, refurbish and update and return to the fleet. I am no expert but this makes sense. Sort of why the Air Force doesn't retire the BUFF (why? because it still works).
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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Short of the of the Iowa class, Armour is not all that useful for anything but slowing you down. The older ships simply do not have room for the necessary systems and a ships job is to fight with those systems, without the they are what is known as "targets".
The Buffs are not new, but they have plenty of room for modern equipment, and are no longer a front line weapon against anyone that can seriously fight back.
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SSG Samuel Kermon
SSG Samuel Kermon
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr I can agree, to a point. The older ships, with armor, like destroyers and cruisers, could be revamped and I think they could be modernized. Difficult maybe but doable.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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SSG Samuel Kermon -The problem is simple space, both interior volume and space for all the antennas.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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Or they are making the same dumb mistake we did
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen -Never correct your enemies mistakes
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