Posted on Apr 23, 2016
Army chief to leaders: Winning is everything in combat
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Hmmmmm, "Winning is Everything" Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? I tend to Disagree with the General on this Point.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas - I know what he means Senior and as a Retired Navy Spook you know that when it comes to Warfare plenty of folks consider what I did as pretty Amoral or Immoral. Just noting that Winning at all Costs has a Price, which may be Your Soul.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL I concur with PO1 William "Chip" Nagel's assessment. Winning is not everything in combat. Military strategy includes feints, raids and deception to lure the enemy into doing something and/or gain intelligence on his disposition and intent. Sometimes we need to lose tactically to win at an operational or strategic level.
ISIS and their allies think in terms of hundreds of years to achieve their goals. Defeating ISIS and most importantly the underlying Wahhabi doctrine requires non-military assets to be used along with military assets. Don't expect this to be accomplished within the next PTUS term. We have been fighting this war and ideology since the 1960s in Europe and the Middle East. We have had minor successes and seen them turned to victories by subsequent administrations Example: Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi was our implacable enemy who became our ally after 9/11/2001. Then the current administration backed the Arab Spring which turned into the Arab winter.
I would concur with Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley's statement “Our sons and our daughters of this nation deserve good leadership.”
I agree with his statements that leaders must be competent, compassionate, and have tremendous character.
I disagree that “there’s no room for second place in combat.” In offensive, defensive, and intel gathering operations one subordinate unit accomplishes a mission first and secures the victory tactically or operationally. Other units are in supporting roles because we work as teams at the tactical and operational level and strategically we work with US Navy and USAF assets ass well as allies on occasion.
ISIS and their allies think in terms of hundreds of years to achieve their goals. Defeating ISIS and most importantly the underlying Wahhabi doctrine requires non-military assets to be used along with military assets. Don't expect this to be accomplished within the next PTUS term. We have been fighting this war and ideology since the 1960s in Europe and the Middle East. We have had minor successes and seen them turned to victories by subsequent administrations Example: Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi was our implacable enemy who became our ally after 9/11/2001. Then the current administration backed the Arab Spring which turned into the Arab winter.
I would concur with Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley's statement “Our sons and our daughters of this nation deserve good leadership.”
I agree with his statements that leaders must be competent, compassionate, and have tremendous character.
I disagree that “there’s no room for second place in combat.” In offensive, defensive, and intel gathering operations one subordinate unit accomplishes a mission first and secures the victory tactically or operationally. Other units are in supporting roles because we work as teams at the tactical and operational level and strategically we work with US Navy and USAF assets ass well as allies on occasion.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
That's why you got the College Degree, You're better with the Pretty Words.
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LTC Stephen F.
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel - that is funny :-)
Actually I thank my Lord and Savior for helping me to express my thoughts. In my weakness He is strong.
Actually I thank my Lord and Savior for helping me to express my thoughts. In my weakness He is strong.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
LTC Stephen F. - What little skills I have as a Professional, Technical Communicator I credit to TOPS (Telecommunications Managers School) and CTOCS Cleotha Fluitt my Instructor and His Green Pen. He used to just make my Correspondence Bleed Green but it was a great education.
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