2
2
0
Handguns and Pistols
DoD
Weapons
Posted 8 y ago
Responses: 3
3
3
0
I understand that many prefer another round over the 9mm NATO, but don't forget that with this truly modular Sig, you can convert to .357 Sig or .40 simply by changing barrels and magazines. It's that simple with no tools needed. Plus the XM1153 ammo noted in the article is hollowpoint ammunition (referred to as the XM1153 special purpose cartridge). For the average user using the pistol as a last defense resort, the 9mm should serve its purpose especially using hollow points. For those with a more offensive need such as SOC, there is the .357 Sig or .40 option within the same platform. It truly is a modular handgun in every sense.
Plus For all those about to post another vote for something with more "punch", remember it is shot placement and hits that count. A bunch of large caliber rounds missing the mark are useless compared to a few well placed 9mm it the intended assailant. And it is long established that average shooters handle the 9mm better than larger calibers. Since there is zero likelihood the services are going to double or triple the range time and training ammo budget for the rank & file, the 9 is the best choice.
(And no, I'm not on the patrol at Sig Sauer. I just really like my P320 for all the reasons stated here and in other posts. Of course if Sig wants to hire me....)
CWO3 (Join to see) GySgt John Olson
COL Mikel J. Burroughs Col Dona Marie Iversen COL Charles Williams Lt Col Jim Coe LTC John Shaw Col (Join to see)
Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CPT (Join to see) CSM William DeWolf
1stSgt Eugene Harless SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC (Join to see)
CPT Jack Durish
Plus For all those about to post another vote for something with more "punch", remember it is shot placement and hits that count. A bunch of large caliber rounds missing the mark are useless compared to a few well placed 9mm it the intended assailant. And it is long established that average shooters handle the 9mm better than larger calibers. Since there is zero likelihood the services are going to double or triple the range time and training ammo budget for the rank & file, the 9 is the best choice.
(And no, I'm not on the patrol at Sig Sauer. I just really like my P320 for all the reasons stated here and in other posts. Of course if Sig wants to hire me....)
CWO3 (Join to see) GySgt John Olson
COL Mikel J. Burroughs Col Dona Marie Iversen COL Charles Williams Lt Col Jim Coe LTC John Shaw Col (Join to see)
Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CPT (Join to see) CSM William DeWolf
1stSgt Eugene Harless SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC (Join to see)
CPT Jack Durish
(3)
(0)
MSgt George Cater
A further thing on waste and abuse. I forgot to say that this old grunt thinks that any command, staff agency or school with 'of Excellence' or something like it in the title is trying to convince someone they are worth their budget and probably not. It's like any government with "Democratic" in the title isn't.
LTC (Join to see) - CWO3 (Join to see) GySgt John Olson
COL Mikel J. Burroughs Col Dona Marie Iversen COL Charles Williams Lt Col Jim Coe LTC John Shaw Col (Join to see)
Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CPT (Join to see) CSM William DeWolf
SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC (Join to see)
CPT Jack Durish
LTC (Join to see) - CWO3 (Join to see) GySgt John Olson
COL Mikel J. Burroughs Col Dona Marie Iversen COL Charles Williams Lt Col Jim Coe LTC John Shaw Col (Join to see)
Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CPT (Join to see) CSM William DeWolf
SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC (Join to see)
CPT Jack Durish
(3)
(0)
(2)
(0)
GySgt Melissa Gravila
My bottom line is this I love everything that goes boom, bang, and fast. I have always said, the caliber doesn't matter, what matters is the shooter, and I don't miss. If I want you dead, make sure your affairs are in order. A well placed .22 will do the job.
Semper Fi
Semper Fi
(1)
(0)
CW3 Harvey K.
I'm wondering if the reports of enormous hollow-point ammo purchases by a number of such non-law enforcement federal departments as the VA, EPA, and the FDA is related to this retention of the 9 MM.
I commented elsewhere on the Military intent to use expanding bullets, perhaps in part to support their retention of the 9 MM. If these senseless stockpiles of hollow-point ammo in administrative government agencies, where such an item is ludicrously out of place, are transferred to the military supply system, there would be an immediate availability of the "new military (expanding bullet) 9 MM ammo".
That may have been the plan right from the start.
I commented elsewhere on the Military intent to use expanding bullets, perhaps in part to support their retention of the 9 MM. If these senseless stockpiles of hollow-point ammo in administrative government agencies, where such an item is ludicrously out of place, are transferred to the military supply system, there would be an immediate availability of the "new military (expanding bullet) 9 MM ammo".
That may have been the plan right from the start.
(1)
(0)
2
2
0
This ia a tremendous improvement over the M9. I understand thet 9mm is the NATO standard cartridge, but still prefer something with a bit more punch to it, .40 or 45 would be my choice in caliber. Thanks for sharing MSgt George Cater
(2)
(0)
0
0
0
Nothing against the Sig --- I was very favorably impressed with their trigger in my very limited experience with them. But IIRC, wasn't a "modular design" a requirement for the new pistol? Was there any other "modular" pistol submitted for testing? Is there any other "modular" sidearm in existence that would meet that assumed requirement, other than the Sig?
(0)
(0)
MSgt George Cater
The MHS requirements I've copied and pasted below. Though many pistols can have armorers switch out different back straps and such to accommodate big/small hands, no other pistol (other than Sig 250) is modular to the degree of the 320. It is as though Sig read the requirements and then built a pistol to meet them. You can switch our or combine all major parts to suit your taste. You could put a full sized silenced barrel in a subcompact slide & grip with a 33 rd mag if you wish. It'd be weird looking but it would work.
"The U.S. Army initially required the MHS to be more effective, accurate, and reliable than the M9 pistol. The MHS requirement called for a non-caliber specific weapon with modular features to allow for the adaption of different fire control devices, pistol grips, and alternate magazine options. The weapon will fit various hand sizes and will mount targeting enablers using Picatinny rails. The new weapon will incorporate detection avoidance by having a non-reflective neutral color and will be operable with a suppressor in place."
CWO3 (Join to see) GySgt John Olson
COL Mikel J. Burroughs Col Dona Marie Iversen COL Charles Williams Lt Col Jim Coe LTC John Shaw Col (Join to see)
Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CPT (Join to see) CSM William DeWolf
1stSgt Eugene Harless SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC (Join to see)
CPT Jack Durish
"The U.S. Army initially required the MHS to be more effective, accurate, and reliable than the M9 pistol. The MHS requirement called for a non-caliber specific weapon with modular features to allow for the adaption of different fire control devices, pistol grips, and alternate magazine options. The weapon will fit various hand sizes and will mount targeting enablers using Picatinny rails. The new weapon will incorporate detection avoidance by having a non-reflective neutral color and will be operable with a suppressor in place."
CWO3 (Join to see) GySgt John Olson
COL Mikel J. Burroughs Col Dona Marie Iversen COL Charles Williams Lt Col Jim Coe LTC John Shaw Col (Join to see)
Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest LTC Trent Klug CPT (Join to see) CSM William DeWolf
1stSgt Eugene Harless SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc"
Thomas 1stSgt Ron Gallegos SFC George Smith
GySgt Melissa Gravila SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC (Join to see)
CPT Jack Durish
(0)
(0)
Read This Next
Continue with Facebook 
Continue with Google