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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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9 Month Deployment? Just make it a Duty Station. I think doing a 2-3 year tour in Northern Europe would be great.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel well said and articulately conveyed.
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SSG Warren Swan
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Isn't this more expensive than placing them on regular PCS schedules? Not a log man, but moving these guys into training somewhere in the states, then moving them over there to train some more, then RIP, reset and repeat? I'm going on a guess that moving a BDE isn't exactly chump change, and COLA? Is this TDY? It just seems expensive as hell.
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SSG Warren Swan
SSG Warren Swan
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SPC (Join to see) - I have no idea. I like to know why really. The 2012 thing....I know who you're talking about, and what you mean, but there is a three star over Europe, who also gave some information to said individual after conferring with a couple of four star individuals who concurred. I'd be willing to bet that along with the individual you're talking about, there were 600 other individuals who got wind of this and supported it being having them home means extra revenue in states that would house those redeploying troops? In the end, I don't think this was a wise move, and will lead to maybe some bases reopened or larger posts where there are currently troops there.
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I mean lots of reasons probably played into shutting out so many of the bases in Europe at the time. foresight was certainly not applied though. Even I could tell with a half assed level of situational awareness something was off in the area. Nearly Every time in Prague in those early days I was approached with information fishing it seemed. I'm a disappointment though as I'm an Irish immigrant to America so when I travel outside America I don't claim American for safety concern as. So they'd always just end up wasting their time. That or play the dumb college student traveling opposed to service member.
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SSG Warren Swan
SSG Warren Swan
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SPC (Join to see) - Ireland!!!! Man I wish I went there when I was stationed in the UK......You are correct, and sequestration DID NOT HELP!!
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Nope it certainly did not.
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LTC Stephen F.
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That seems strange unless they are falling in on prepo or previous brigades equipment SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL. 9 months is a very short period of time for an armored or mech brigade to deploy. I expect the plan does include falling in on equipment with depot maintenance assets within operational reach-back to keep the units at sufficient readiness levels.
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen F.
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CPO (Join to see) - Thanks for weighing in.
In OIF the deploying Army units fell in on equipment stocks, trained with the equipment while they acclimatized and then rotated in country. The depot level repair facilities in Kuwait maintained the equipment and had a high priority for parts within the supply system.
In Europe up through the 1980's the Reforger exercises followed the same concept with incoming units falling in on Prepo equipment.
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That is kind of what I was saying did not mean they went straight to Iraq and fell in on it. Kuwait is right there so that was my meaning understand, saw them doing the rotations just saying I think this is what they are trying. They did do some live change over I saw it and worked with some of them when that did so not all the equipment rolled out every time a unit came in. The roads were to hot at times to keep risking that. You deployed down range so you know. I only know what I saw in person did not see all the heavy stuff but was just saying they are doing something close to what Marines do when they deploy because they do it all the time war or not. We did same thing all units ripd like that Kuwait fell in on most equipment then Iraq.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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LTC Stephen F. I know it was 12 months when I was in Iraq/Kuwait from 2011-2012. When I went to Afghanistan it was 9 months, I think with the new dwell time its the new time frame 9 months in my opinion. I could be wrong though.
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen F.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL - as far as I know there were no armored brigades deployed to Afghanistan my friend :-)
We have been rotating armored and mechanized forces to Western Europe for a long time. Used to be Germany and more recently Poland has been the destination of rotating forces as we have played the chess game of missile defense with Russia.
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