Posted on Dec 9, 2017
BBC Documentary Hitler's Sunken Secret - Nazi Nuclear Project english subtitles
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The problem is that until you proved something, everyone worked. So although Messerschmitt made the 163 and 262 jet fighters, a billion other companies, factories, consortiums were building fighters too. Everyone worked to see who got there first. Then once a working design was chosen, the other units/entities were disbanded, defunded and basically absorbed by the winner. Nuclear dream-teaming took the same path. Everyone from the head hospital in Berlin to the headquarters of the national post office(!) was working on "something." Yes - it was scientific. Yes - you may not be a math whiz/science geek, but your cousin's brother's wife's sister may have a special number crunching ability and as you just hired her, you're going to give it a go. Plus - are you going to tell Hitler "no?"
"Heavy Water" was one such folly. Heavy Water was allowed to progress at the speed it did because allied spies kept mentioning it. "So it has to have promise if MI-6/5 are talking about it." Even when Admiral Canaris' double agents exposed HW as a myth, it was too late. The lab had succeeded in convincing Hitler that it was a workable angle. Each German governor (Gaulieter - power equivalence of a senator/cabinet minister) - already being one of Hitler's close friend circle (Goering, Himmler, etc) - were encouraged to seek their own truths as well. So you literally had three of four top state scientists having to be at the beck and call of 682000 labs and experiment testings. And as a "winner" had not been chosen, everyone had to keep watching, keep stirring, keep listening, etc.
The day that the Telemark op killed Heavy Water, the Post Office (of all teams!!) came up with a "hold my beer" approach that stunned even the Americans. A dirty bomb. The dirty bomb's name came from "that's a dirty trick" not so much "dirt" as in "infection" or "filth." The EMP would render comms useless. This in and of itself would be a cancer to the comm-heavy world American forces lived under. With no radio, the vaunted allied air umbrella would be useless. With no umbrella, the allies were loathe to take on Tigers and Panthers on equal terms. Or any terms really... Japanese scientists and Italian scientists were privvy to these goings-ons and made comments bordering on "hey that's kewl" to "WTFO?" The Japanese tended to be SS in nature (and America as well!) with wanting clean waves of energy with which to magically mow sheet after sheet of allied soldiers down. So the Japanese delegation left early. The Italian delegation - having actual allied boots on their soil - was a little more interested...
The discovery was that everyone (mainly America) were spending boat loads of cash on worthless items. Kind of like opening a can of coke (12 ounces). How much do you have to drink to quench your thirst? Will 3 ounces do, or MUST you consume all 12? America, Japan and most of Germany were working towards a 12 ounce model when no one stopped to ask "hey - what happens if I detonate WHAT I ALREADY HAVE AT THIS MOMENT?" The Post Office weapon was not even a 10th of a kiloton in yield, yet the EMP succeeded in travelling several miles and blacking everything out within that radius. At ground zero, the "life" in an around the epicenter was vaporized. So not wave after wave of humanity like America and Japan was gunning for, but a few thousand here, a few thousand there. When Japan got back to Japan, the war was turning rapidly against her and they decided to double dip and start up the German research as well. They found the German design to be really cheaply made, yet very polluting. So if you dropped one of the Post Office bombs over Ulithi Atoll, you might sink one ship at the most, but you'd fry the electronics on every vessel and you'd give everyone radiation sickness which - as we know from Hiroshima - was as good as a death.
So the Japanese FedExed a request to Germany to get the stuff sent to them and a U-Boat was sent Eastwards with the secret sauce. MI-5 found out and launched Operation Caeser to sink the U-Boat at all costs. Had the boat reached Japan, the Japanese would have had one fully working bomb and up to eleven partials. An instant dropping of the one complete bomb on Ulithi would have killed close to 100000 US forces due to lack of medical care and poisoned most if not all of the US Fleet. Decom procedures are not in place at the time, so the USN would have no earthly idea how to batten down the hatches and wash the decks. Only the sub fleet would remain, but subs can't invade an island.
"Heavy Water" was one such folly. Heavy Water was allowed to progress at the speed it did because allied spies kept mentioning it. "So it has to have promise if MI-6/5 are talking about it." Even when Admiral Canaris' double agents exposed HW as a myth, it was too late. The lab had succeeded in convincing Hitler that it was a workable angle. Each German governor (Gaulieter - power equivalence of a senator/cabinet minister) - already being one of Hitler's close friend circle (Goering, Himmler, etc) - were encouraged to seek their own truths as well. So you literally had three of four top state scientists having to be at the beck and call of 682000 labs and experiment testings. And as a "winner" had not been chosen, everyone had to keep watching, keep stirring, keep listening, etc.
The day that the Telemark op killed Heavy Water, the Post Office (of all teams!!) came up with a "hold my beer" approach that stunned even the Americans. A dirty bomb. The dirty bomb's name came from "that's a dirty trick" not so much "dirt" as in "infection" or "filth." The EMP would render comms useless. This in and of itself would be a cancer to the comm-heavy world American forces lived under. With no radio, the vaunted allied air umbrella would be useless. With no umbrella, the allies were loathe to take on Tigers and Panthers on equal terms. Or any terms really... Japanese scientists and Italian scientists were privvy to these goings-ons and made comments bordering on "hey that's kewl" to "WTFO?" The Japanese tended to be SS in nature (and America as well!) with wanting clean waves of energy with which to magically mow sheet after sheet of allied soldiers down. So the Japanese delegation left early. The Italian delegation - having actual allied boots on their soil - was a little more interested...
The discovery was that everyone (mainly America) were spending boat loads of cash on worthless items. Kind of like opening a can of coke (12 ounces). How much do you have to drink to quench your thirst? Will 3 ounces do, or MUST you consume all 12? America, Japan and most of Germany were working towards a 12 ounce model when no one stopped to ask "hey - what happens if I detonate WHAT I ALREADY HAVE AT THIS MOMENT?" The Post Office weapon was not even a 10th of a kiloton in yield, yet the EMP succeeded in travelling several miles and blacking everything out within that radius. At ground zero, the "life" in an around the epicenter was vaporized. So not wave after wave of humanity like America and Japan was gunning for, but a few thousand here, a few thousand there. When Japan got back to Japan, the war was turning rapidly against her and they decided to double dip and start up the German research as well. They found the German design to be really cheaply made, yet very polluting. So if you dropped one of the Post Office bombs over Ulithi Atoll, you might sink one ship at the most, but you'd fry the electronics on every vessel and you'd give everyone radiation sickness which - as we know from Hiroshima - was as good as a death.
So the Japanese FedExed a request to Germany to get the stuff sent to them and a U-Boat was sent Eastwards with the secret sauce. MI-5 found out and launched Operation Caeser to sink the U-Boat at all costs. Had the boat reached Japan, the Japanese would have had one fully working bomb and up to eleven partials. An instant dropping of the one complete bomb on Ulithi would have killed close to 100000 US forces due to lack of medical care and poisoned most if not all of the US Fleet. Decom procedures are not in place at the time, so the USN would have no earthly idea how to batten down the hatches and wash the decks. Only the sub fleet would remain, but subs can't invade an island.
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If you can find this, I'd seen it on cable Tzv some time ago, about an Italian military Fascist reporter. Luigi Romersa. Her claimed he'd been sent by Mussolini to see the Wumderwaffen in Germany, on assignment from Mussolini himself. While he'd been in Germany, he claimed he'd seen two separate actual tests, done by other ohysicsts, besides those that were to ne developed from the heavy water sunk on the ferry at Telemark. I kmow that's the standard story, however, the site was checked in the film, by physicists, and was found to ne heavily contaminated by he effects of the tests, even today. I have no idea whether te story was true, however, the documentary was, I assure all of you, quite serious, as well as quite convincing, if a fake, it was clearly an inspired one, that much was quite apparent, if nothing else.
If you can find this, I'd seen it on cable Tzv some time ago, about an Italian military Fascist reporter. Luigi Romersa. Her claimed he'd been sent by Mussolini to see the Wumderwaffen in Germany, on assignment from Mussolini himself. While he'd been in Germany, he claimed he'd seen two separate actual tests, done by other ohysicsts, besides those that were to ne developed from the heavy water sunk on the ferry at Telemark. I kmow that's the standard story, however, the site was checked in the film, by physicists, and was found to ne heavily contaminated by he effects of the tests, even today. I have no idea whether te story was true, however, the documentary was, I assure all of you, quite serious, as well as quite convincing, if a fake, it was clearly an inspired one, that much was quite apparent, if nothing else.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel my goodness, " I pray never in our lifetime"
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TSgt Joe C. SFC William Farrell LTC Stephen F. SGT Robert George SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas Maj Marty Hogan MSG Andrew White SGT (Join to see) SGT Philip Roncari SPC Margaret Higgins SrA Christopher Wright SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SP5 Michael Rathbun SSG Diane R. CW5 Jack Cardwell SFC Dave Beran Capt Dwayne Conyers SSG Derrick L. Lewis MBA, C-HRM COL Lee Flemming
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