Posted on Oct 7, 2017
Bump-Stock Inventor Jeremiah Cottle is an Air Force Veteran Who Wanted Rifles to Shoot Faster
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1LT Sandy Annala There you have it, any semi-auto weapon can be fired at an automatic rate. It appears that the recoil and allowing the weapon to slide, essentially removes the sear from the equation. The sear is the part that stops the weapon from firing unless the trigger is disengaged, then re-engaged. So if you get your way, law abiding citizens will be denied revolvers (I already showed videos where revolvers were able to fire at a rate of 480 rounds per minute) and semi-automatic firearms.
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Maj John Bell
1LT Sandy Annala -
1) You are trying to insert the camel's nose under under the tent flap. The bump stock is not high technology. The inventor used common items and it took him an hour to wok it out. The inevitable "logic" of the anti-gun crowd will be "....Since any semi-automatic can be fitted with a low tech make shift bump stock made of a piece of wood, a piece of PVC pipe, some duct tape and an hour or two to figure it out; semi-automatics need to be criminalized."
2) A trigger crank can be made from any battery operated rotary tool like a $40 Dremel. Which will you outlaw, the Dremel, or the semi-automatic weapon to which someone applies a home-made trigger crank.
3) What is the typical length of time that mass shootings last? It does not matter how badly you want the day to last, the Earth keeps turning. It does not matter how much you want to stop people from enhancing characteristics of their firearms, they will. Some of, but by no means the majority, are up to no good. Stop trying to make laws that cannot be enforced. Better yet, stop restricting the many who've done nothing wrong, because a minute fraction are evil. Stop making your discomfort their problem.
4) The study you completed or are citing, the one that says when inherent muscle fatigue sets in, can you give me a citation so I can peruse it myself?
1) You are trying to insert the camel's nose under under the tent flap. The bump stock is not high technology. The inventor used common items and it took him an hour to wok it out. The inevitable "logic" of the anti-gun crowd will be "....Since any semi-automatic can be fitted with a low tech make shift bump stock made of a piece of wood, a piece of PVC pipe, some duct tape and an hour or two to figure it out; semi-automatics need to be criminalized."
2) A trigger crank can be made from any battery operated rotary tool like a $40 Dremel. Which will you outlaw, the Dremel, or the semi-automatic weapon to which someone applies a home-made trigger crank.
3) What is the typical length of time that mass shootings last? It does not matter how badly you want the day to last, the Earth keeps turning. It does not matter how much you want to stop people from enhancing characteristics of their firearms, they will. Some of, but by no means the majority, are up to no good. Stop trying to make laws that cannot be enforced. Better yet, stop restricting the many who've done nothing wrong, because a minute fraction are evil. Stop making your discomfort their problem.
4) The study you completed or are citing, the one that says when inherent muscle fatigue sets in, can you give me a citation so I can peruse it myself?
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Maj John Bell - I didn't write the law - members of congress wrote the law. Muscle fatigue is a predictable phenomena - take a look at Eric Kandel's Principles of Neural Science or any decent muscle physiology book. Small fast twitch muscles needed to achieve the high firing rate exhaust their energy supplies and fatigue very very quickly. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
Maj John Bell
1LT Sandy Annala - You didn't write the law, but you are clearly campaigning against "enhanced" rates of fire. That make you one of the people pushing on the camel's butt.
I checked and I cannot get Kandel's book through an inter-library loan. The cheapest copy I could find is $84.35, but I read the abstract. It appears to me that that work has more to do with how the brain learns and memorizes physical activities. There is nothing in the abstract that would lead me to believe I'm going to find out about the endurance of fast-twitch muscle fiber.
Let's focus on questions 3) and 4). How long do you estimate the active shooter phase of the typical mass shooting is? How much do you believe the typical person's performance would drop off during that period?
The shooter at the pulse nightclub in Orlando had an active shooting time between 8-14 minutes. During that time period he killed 49 and wounded 58. He carried two weapons; a SIG Sauer MCX semi-automatic rifle and a 9mm Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol, there has been no information released to indicate that either of these weapons had their rates of fire modified.
I checked and I cannot get Kandel's book through an inter-library loan. The cheapest copy I could find is $84.35, but I read the abstract. It appears to me that that work has more to do with how the brain learns and memorizes physical activities. There is nothing in the abstract that would lead me to believe I'm going to find out about the endurance of fast-twitch muscle fiber.
Let's focus on questions 3) and 4). How long do you estimate the active shooter phase of the typical mass shooting is? How much do you believe the typical person's performance would drop off during that period?
The shooter at the pulse nightclub in Orlando had an active shooting time between 8-14 minutes. During that time period he killed 49 and wounded 58. He carried two weapons; a SIG Sauer MCX semi-automatic rifle and a 9mm Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol, there has been no information released to indicate that either of these weapons had their rates of fire modified.
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Maj John Bell - Just do the experiment - how long can you continue to repeatedly pull on the full force of the trigger - at least far enough for the weapon to reliably fire - fast enough to maintain 100+, 200+, 400+ rounds per minute fire rate? Practice may help strengthen fast twitch muscles - but you run risk of carpel tunnel. Warmest Regards, Sandy
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PO1 Tony Holland Probably because it is getting so much publicity. I had never heard of it before the shooting.
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