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MSG Stan Hutchison
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Where do they get the guns?
"From 2010 to 2014, of the traceable guns used in Illinois crimes which originated from out of state, most came from Indiana (3,269), Mississippi (1,002) and Wisconsin (898)."

It appears many of the guns come from "straw man" buyers, while a lot come from friends and family members that can buy legally. How do we stop that?
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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PO1 John Miller - With enough money, one can buy almost anything in this world. Also, I am sure some of those weapons started out as semi's
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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LTC (Join to see) - I just googled "where do the gangs in Chicago get guns." Lot's of sources available.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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LTC (Join to see) - I am not advocating "new" laws, just stronger enforcement of existing laws, plus a better means to identify those mentally unfit to posses a gun. (by court order)
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MSG Stan Hutchison - wasn't inferring you were for new gun laws. My comment was more general in nature. sorry for the confusion.
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SPC David S.
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More than likely our Federal government via a trade in your drugs for automatic weapons program.
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SPC David S. does the US federal government have a program where they trade automatic weapons for drugs?
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SPC David S.
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No sir not that I know however there have been rumors for years in the Chicago area that the Sinaloa cartel is working with Federal agencies on border security and in taking down other cartels. Zambada-Niebla has alleged that Operation Fast and Furious was part of an agreement to finance and arm the cartel in exchange for information used to take down its rivals. This would not surprise me as the US has struck up a number of relationships with questionable character - Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are just some of the many.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/09/justice-officials-in-panic-mode-as-new-testimony-is-expected-to-reveal-depth.html
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Thanks for that information. SPC David S. What is the world coming to.
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The county Chicago is in doesn't have the strict gun control laws that the city does. So right outside the city limits are gun stores selling away. That's why this notion that gun laws fail because there are guns in C hicago is misleading. People make it sound like Chicago is some sort of isolated island or something and the laws make it difficult for a C hicago resident to buy a gun. But all they have to do is step across the city line, and you can legally buy guns.
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The point is that even in a place with strict gun control, criminals can still get guns.
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