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CPT Jack Durish
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Attacks on the 2nd Amendment and all the rest are the result of poor citizenship. We have replaced education with indoctrination in our schools, and the "citizens" they produce spring forth ready to support and vote for candidates of a certain ideology. As we old farts are dying off, they are becoming the dominate voting block. All of these issues can be traced to the simple fact that most of us who watch this with trepidation, never particularly cared about politics and government. We were raised in a time when government was hardly a blip on our radar. We laughed at political campaign shenanigans like we did when fellow students vied for the social distinction of being class president. We lived our lives with little regard for government. We didn't ask much of it and didn't care about it until they began taxing us too much and devaluing our money by spending more than they took in. Can we turn it around? I don't know...
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Cpl Mark McMiller
Cpl Mark McMiller
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MSgt Steve Sweeney - No, my approach is based on the reality of what has actually happened throughout history when some tyrant decided they could more easily control an unarmed populace. Many in our government would like nothing better than to confiscate all privately owned firearms. And if the police and/or military are ordered to confiscate firearms, they will obey the order because that's what they've been trained to do. Most service members, just like most civilians in our society, don't have a clue about what our Constitution says, don't care, or aren't going to risk loss of a job or prison for disobeying an order. To believe otherwise is just not realistic.

I didn't join our armed forces to support our government. I joined to support and defend our Constitution. Remember that oath you took?
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
MSgt Steve Sweeney
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Cpl Mark McMiller - You may consider it to be a rational fear, but it is a fear none the less. As far as the Constitution, without a government to protect and uphold the Constitution, its articles and the rights it enumerates, what is it? Our oath of enlistment does not appear in the Constitution, and is an instrument of the government. The rank you wear, the uniforms you were issued, the arms you were issued, the food you were provided, and the paycheck in your pocket... all of it is part of the government. The entire purpose of the Constitution was and is to establish the government - so to say you joined to support and defend the Constitution, but not defend the content of the Constitution is to say you joined to support and defend a piece of paper.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
Cpl Mark McMiller
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MSgt Steve Sweeney - If it's fear, as long as it's rational fear, I don't see a problem. We have an entire insurance industry based on such rational fear.

The difference between swearing an oath to the Constitution versus government is that if those in power in our government step too far over the line in violating our Constitution to the point of tyranny, you and I didn't swear an oath to support and defend them or their government.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
MSgt Steve Sweeney
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Cpl Mark McMiller - I can certainly agree there, but it is a difficult line to walk. In many cases, like with religion, it is very open to interpretation. Some of the most damaging things done to our society are done by those with the money to influence laws and lobbyists and manipulate the legal code and legal system, making their tyranny legal. Then there is the difference between the letter and the spirit of the law, where the line is drawn, and who gets to draw the line.
One, I feel, should have a healthy skepticism of government... but when it falls over into distrust, the situation needs to be rectified. I still envision a government of the people, by the people, and for the people... but I also know people are fallible. Still, I think we both can agree we need a government... a strong government, and if we can restore a faith in government, then we can better address the proper role and limitations of government.
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Here's a graph of violent crime in the US (from National Review). The peak was around 1992-3, then a significant downward turn happened, especially steep from around 1994-2004. Oh yeah, that happens to correspond to the years the assault rifle ban was in effect. So if you want to throw around a correlation between violent crime and access to weapons, this chart would show that the turnaround in violent crime directly correlated with the assault rifle ban. And as you said, things seemed to be fine for the last few decades. That includes the decade that assault rifles were banned. So clearly banning assault rifles didn't lead to any increase in violent crime. In fact, it correlates with turning around a decades long rise in crime.
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SGT Chris Wagoner
SGT Chris Wagoner
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LTC (Join to see) - Really? Please show me where I said any correlation was... "we have seen a reduction in all types of violent crime. Why is that? I am sure there are many reasons. " SOunds to me like plain English. Then again I could be wrong.
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SPC Les Darbison
SPC Les Darbison
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Assult rifle ban? ( A made up Democrat term when applied to AR15s and AR 10s) First of all assault rifles have select fire full auto, Simi auto. Second of all long guns including AR 10s and AR 15s are the smallest % of firearms shootings and always have been. Check your facts. It has been decades seen the citizens could own a full AUTO firearm without a class 3 license. It is illegal to convert any weapon to full auto. Is there any state in the union that doesn't require a Background check before buying a firearm. Maybe Alaska? And if your a veteran per some Democrat elected officials your to angery or too patriotic to own or be trusted a FIREARM.
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SPC Les Darbison
SPC Les Darbison
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One more thing that effects the above chart it was affected by a HUGE firearms ownership Upswing and some states relaxing firearm regulations! Make some states open carry and other states also relaxed Concealed carry laws. When the law abiding citizen is armed crime stats consistently go down!
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
MSgt Steve Sweeney
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Believe it or not, a large contributing factor to the increase in violent crime through the 70s and early 80s was lead in gasoline.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2017/06/01/new-evidence-that-lead-exposure-increases-crime/
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SGT Gregory Lawritson
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Totally agree Chris. Well stated as usual.
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SGT Chris Wagoner
SGT Chris Wagoner
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Thank you Sgt.!
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