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The side of me that wants to see "equality for all" says that yes, women should also register for the Selective Service. It is absolutely unfair that a military aged male is excluded from applying for federal jobs if not registered... but a woman is not.

The logical side of me, however, strongly believes that Selective Service should be done away with entirely. I can honestly say that I would never want to serve alongside someone who was forced to be there and couldn't care less about the lives of the men/women to their left and right. Additionally, it would pain me to see the amount of resources/funding wasted on training a population of individuals who (largely) take issue with many of the ideals that the Army stands for and don't appreciate the sacrifices that men and women before them have made. The liability and internal turmoil that this would cause is simply not worth it, in my opinion.
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Sgt Martin Querin
Sgt Martin Querin
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Great points LT, but I think it would change our culture if everyone had to make some commitment. Citizens need to own their citizenship; right now too many get it without committing to anything to earn it.
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SFC Robert Escher
SFC Robert Escher
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PFC Lisa McDonald - how does it LET you the voter say you want or don’t want to go to war? That is not true in shape or form
You may elect all the people you want to say no to going to war but that doesn’t it won’t happen
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PO2 Dan Shulla
PO2 Dan Shulla
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Having had to register for the draft way back when ( I cheated and enlisted to have my choice), the only draft that would be acceptable to me is a random selection, so there isn't a vast majority of poor and minorities, as there was during Viet Nam. NO college student waiver or any other waiver (other than a 4F or the sole surviving child). EVEYBODY PLAYS! rich and poor alike. Empty the prisons of all non violent felons (other than drug dealers or those convicted of manufacturing drugs) with the stipulation they must serve on Active duty, the same number of years left on their sentence. Open this to discussion?
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SP5 Peter Keane
SP5 Peter Keane
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PO2 Dan Shulla - Your statement about a vast majority of poor and minorities doesn't hold water. Check the facts of who was serving in Viet Nam.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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I have two daughters so that would be hard for me...But both have degrees so they would be officers but I have to say to all the women that keep screaming to do a whatever a man does....well that screaming has consequences and that consequence is Selective Service. Cant have it both ways. You want to do whatever the man does, well that includes selective service
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Sgt Jonathan Joye
Sgt Jonathan Joye
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SFC Shirley Whitfield - I think you're missing the point. The fact that you retired a long time ago doesn't make you point any more cogent than mine. I'm fully aware of the contributions of female servicemembers. I served with them in Iraq, I have lead some of them and I was lead by some of them. Some of my most outstanding subordinates were females and could kick the ass of 90% of the guys in the platoon in a physical fitness test or MCMAP drill, on top of their exceptional work ethic and intellect. That's not the point.

The point is that the feminists are hypocrites about "equal treatment" (and I'm not talking about female servicemembers, but the civilian SJWs who never served who are pushing for some of these changes for no reason other than a social agenda). They want all of the benefits and none of the disadvantages. They want every MOS open to women, even if the women servicemembers themselves aren't making a big deal out of it, but then they oppose opening Selective Service to women, even though the lack of women in combat MOSes is a large part of the justification for not including them in Selective Service in the first place. They want to force the DoD to open up the SOF operator jobs to women, even though almost no women have expressed a desire to actually get those MOSes. Very few women have actually attempted to join even the regular infantry field.

And I must clarify for you a misconception you seem to have as what constitutes "part of" SOF (as most of the media have this misconception as well). Bravo Zulu to your daughter, by the way. She is yet another proof that women can handle themselves in a combat situation. But while she may have been attached to a SOF unit as support, she was not an "operator". There is a difference, and the "operator" type jobs are the ones that are actually still closed. Most support personnel attached to SOF units or organic to them are MOSes/rates/jobs that are already open to women (intel, admin, mechanics, helo crew, medic, etc). The ones that are closed are things that the USMC calls "Critical Skills Operators", the Navy calls "SEALs", the Army calls "18_", etc, and there is very little push from actual female servicemembers to join those career fields. That doesn't mean that female servicemembers haven't distinguished themselves in service *WITH* a SOF unit (as your daughter has demonstrated), but those particular occupation codes are currently restricted, and nearly all of the push to open them to women comes from outside of the DoD -- i.e. people who haven't served and have no interest in serving or joining those occfields.

I also know plenty about enlisted personnel who have degrees. I'm one of them (well, I was when I was enlisted). I also worked in a career field where anecdotally 25%-35% (possibly more) of the enlisted had degrees, and many had ASVABs higher than the officers in the unit. I also agree that just having a degree doesn't make someone qualified to be an officer (and Lord knows I've dealt with those types as well). My point was not whether a degree reflects on an individual's quality regarding leadership, simply the modern military's requirement than commissioned officers have a college degree.
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SFC Shirley Whitfield
SFC Shirley Whitfield
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Sgt Jonathan Joye - I know I'm not missing the point. Many of those feminist have had the same "agenda" for decades. When I worked in UIC Sociology Department (1976-1989), one of them from Criminal Justice Department thought I'd be the perfect person to represent them in Springfield, IL. I asked her one question, "Are you prepared for your daughter to join the military and be in combat?" That was the end of them trying to recruit me. This conversation took place in 1979.

In some areas, feminist have done some good. I'll concede to that.
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SFC Shirley Whitfield
SFC Shirley Whitfield
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Sgt Jonathan Joye - I may have retired a long time ago, but know a great many folk still serving. When I was on Oahu this past April, I attended a retirement ceremony and after celebration of one of them from USN. Then met several more at different stages of their careers in all services. There's a USNG Armory down the street from me. I see these soldiers quite often. Have even met/spoken with a few. I'm very much interested in what the unit I retired from (308th CA Bde) is up to. I noticed at least one individual here on RP is with its higher command. I also keep up with their subordinate units are doing. No friend, I keep up with changes within the military. Don't assume that retirees become disinterested once retired.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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Sgt Jonathan Joye - It's all good. Warrant Officers in all services have been commissioned since 1986 (Defense Authorization Act). The following is the list of requirements for Warrant Officer from the goarmy.com webpage (I draw your attention to the first bullet):
Requirements
Do you have what it takes to become a Warrant Officer? Applicants for the Warrant Officer Candidate School and Warrant Officer Flight Training program must:
•Have a high school diploma.
•Be at least 18 years old at the time of enlistment and not have passed their 33rd birthday at the time of selection (for aviators) or their 46th birthday for all other specialties. Age waivers are considered on a case-by-case basis.
•Be a citizen of the United States.
•For WOFT Candidates only: Achieve a qualifying score on the Selection Instrument for Flight Training (SIFT). SIFT test results are valid indefinitely, as long as verifiable official records exist. No waivers are available for failure to meet the minimum SIFT score.
•Earn a General Technical score of 110 or higher on the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB).
•Have at least 12 months remaining on their enlistment contract.
•Meet the Army's screening height and weight standards and pass the standard three-event Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT) not more than six months before their application packet is boarded.
•Take a physical exam and meet entry medical fitness standards as determined by military medical authorities no more than 24 months prior to the date of application. Aviation applicants must also undergo a Class 1A Flight Physical Examination and have results approved by Flight Surgeons at Fort Rucker, Alabama, prior to the selection board. The Flight Physical must be less than 18 months old.
Additional Requirements For Technical Specialties
•Must complete MOS training
•Must complete appropriate Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES) Leadership Courses
•Must have documented proficiency in specialty area
•Must meet prerequisite standards for specialty area
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
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I think not only should women have to register with the Selective Service System, they should also get equal wages to their male counterparts. At least we do that in the military, but this is sorely lacking in the civilian workforce.

People should bear in mind - equal rights means you take the good AND the bad. You get the parade, but you also get to be on the cleanup detail too. If you're going to dance to the music you have to pay the band. If we make concessions for one, we make them for all or not at all. Inclusion at the bank also means inclusion in the workforce.
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SFC Robert Escher
SFC Robert Escher
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Sgt Mark Ramos - there are many reasons why women haven’t been in the selective service. To start with many women have joined voluntarily over the last 90 years they needed women and women joined lots
The other reason was combat and the combat environment which Congress said no to for many years
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Sgt Mark Ramos
Sgt Mark Ramos
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SFC Robert Escher - You wrote that many women have joined voluntarily and therefore shouldn't have to register. How is that a valid reason? By that logic, men should not have to register as well.
You wrote that the other reason was the combat prohibition for women. That's actually one of the reasons why they should now register. As society pushes for men and women to be treated the same in all things, it's only fair and logical that they should be treated the same for selective service as well. Why should young women not have the same obligations and responsibilities of our young men if everything else is the same?
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SFC Robert Escher
SFC Robert Escher
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I didn’t say they didn’t have.but many did you need to think of the mindset 70 80 years ago. Women fighting in combat was unheard of and many people could not think of it due to many reasons. Many many women did volunteer and it was for a few years away from combat or in the US.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE. With a women sitting next to you in a “foxhole”?
Politicians Families could not think just that as been mentioned here “ I cannot think of my daughters being in Combat”
So they weren’t involved in the SS system. What I did say that there were more than enough women that DID join that performed many jobs that released men to go into combat.
Do I support women in the SS system I think so
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SPC Juanita Anderson
SPC Juanita Anderson
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SFC Robert Escher - ok guys every time some is brough up there the foxhole thing. If your are in a combat zone and their someone else is in the fox hole are you going to worry about the person or the bullets flying over your heads. By the time the person male or female make it thru basic and the combat training they should be qualified to be in the fox hole too.
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