Posted on Dec 5, 2016
Japanese Leader Abe to Visit Pearl Harbor With Obama
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Wow and interesting, but not unexpected either
Japanese Leader Abe to Visit Pearl Harbor With Obama
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I am nat sure that Abe is thene one to make that gesture since he is in the "The Japanese were the victims" camp.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
PO3 Donald Murphy - We embargoes them when they decided to take French Indochina, not to mention thing like The rape of Nanking had begun sunk in. The Imperial Japanese Miltary made even people like ISIS look like candidate for sainthood. I believe we were getting tired ot that BS even if their victims were not white, Hell they don't even look tht good when compared to the SS
The Japanese were not played they thought that they could bluff us into letting them have all of asia if they raised the stakes by murdering enough of us and they found out that their hand was a pair deuces and we held a royal flush in spades.
The toy poodle got a few good bites in on the Wolf while was distracted but the end results were never in doubt, They thought that We would not fight, reading their own mitary observers reports for 80 years earlier would have disabused them of that idea
If Hitler had not bid stupid enough to decal war on us the Japaneses would have lost by 1943 at the latest
The Japanese were not played they thought that they could bluff us into letting them have all of asia if they raised the stakes by murdering enough of us and they found out that their hand was a pair deuces and we held a royal flush in spades.
The toy poodle got a few good bites in on the Wolf while was distracted but the end results were never in doubt, They thought that We would not fight, reading their own mitary observers reports for 80 years earlier would have disabused them of that idea
If Hitler had not bid stupid enough to decal war on us the Japaneses would have lost by 1943 at the latest
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PO3 Donald Murphy
1stSgt Nelson Kerr - The whole thing was planned long before that. Perry's landing was the first phase, sadly. They were a convenient patsy to get the end result we wanted.
True about Hitler.
True about Hitler.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
PO3 Donald Murphy - That is dome t really deep dark tin-foil there, unless yo have some reality to back that up/ Who was running that much-generational, multi-party conspiracy theory and what did we get that we could not simply have taken with less effort
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PO3 Donald Murphy
1stSgt Nelson Kerr - No tin foil. Business. You have several reading choices. James Bradley who wrote the excellent "Flag Of Our Fathers" and "Flyboys" also wrote a book called "Imperial Cruise." It covers Teddy Roosevelt's ambitions for America to become an empire builder and get interest from those who it sets up. Kind of like selling Amway. So we set up a nation to conquer, help it conquer, then sit back and reap a portion of the proceeds. If the conqueror gets too ruthless, we then ride in acting the "liberator" and place another puppet in charge. Sound familiar? No conspiracy. World history. Thats basically how 10 million British conquered the world, isn't it?
Brian Lapham's excellent book "End Of Empire" covers every country Britain captured, how they captured it, why they captured it, and why they let it go. American politics comes into a lot of the stories. Here's a cool one for you: when we liberated the Philippines, did we make them "free?" No? So why did we make the people of New Guinea, Guadalcanal and Tarawa free? Weren't they owned by Britain? Ooops. Yes they were. So by all rights, we should have killed the Japanese and then given the islands back to the British Empire, right?
Why were we (Admiral King) so adamnant that the British not get involved in the Pacific to "help us?" What were you told? Were you told that British ships and American ships had different supply procedures and methods? You were? Well then answer this: how did the "inadequate" British ships refuel and resupply American ships in the Med? Or North Africa? Or in the Solomons? Simple. We didn't want them there cuz we were taking their property. This is also why Churchill busted his ass to get the Far Eastern Fleet into the Pacific.
Charles Higham then introduces "Trading With The Enemy." Ever wonder why the stereotypically hawkish republicans were so AGAINST getting involved in WW2? Even though the Germans were sinking our ships and killing our sailors? This book explains why. This book also links "Imperial Cruise's" assertations with financial receipts to back it up. Virtually ever action undertaken in China prior to 1930 was done with American/British economic knowledge/approval. You need only read any books on the Boxer Rebellion to figure out the Chinese were being played.
Brutality? Where'd that come from? We 'mericans have never heard o' that! Oh really? American conquest of the Philippines ring a bell? Where'd the Germans get "scorched earth" from? Honestly Sarge...research Pershing. Sadly though, when you're trying to be head chef, the smell of rotten and burnt food kinda throws customers off, right? So taking a leaf out of Britain's book, new customer Japan was groomed to "run" China. Britain built Japan's Navy. Germany built Japan's Air Force. What'd America build? Their army. We knew (Imperial Cruise) that China was too big to conquer and would be too much work in the long run (a problem that Britain found out with India ["End Of Empire"]). So Perry's "opening up of Japan" was more three-sided than you can imagine. There were so many alterior motives that Roosevelt was actually close to ordering military action as everyone was so sure the Japanese would figure it out and kill our landing parties ("Shield Of The Republic" [another great USN history book for you...]).
We built most - if not all - of Japan's financial infrastructure. They had been "opened up" but needed credit. That came from us. Naturally. No conspiracy. Easily researched. Even the Japanese as babies in the world knew that a credit "favor" would have strings attached. By the time 1920 rolled around, Japan was the Saddam of the area. Remember how "scary Saddam" helped us keep our influence in the Middle East? Historical animosity between the Koreas, Chinas and Japan was still there and they were used by both Britain and the USA as a foil to maintain trade agreements, etc.
"Happy Days Are Here Again." A great book about FDR's "economic miracle." You've probably passed over this book, right? I know I did. Thought I knew everything about the New Deal, depression, etc. Now stop for a moment and think about a phrase you've heard time and again about America in WW2: "the arsenal of democracy." We basically out built everyone. We were building ships faster than the enemy could sink them. More tanks than (insert analogy of your choice), etc. Now consider **WHO** actually did that. Not all of America was hunky dory about the New Deal. Big business had some issues. There were strikes, labor disputes, etc. So what was needed was a way to energize the economy. War maybe? Examine Lend Lease from a business perspective. Forget what history told you it was. Examine it from a purely financial outlook (Trading With The Enemy).
If you add up all the American WW2 dead versus all the British, French, Japanese, German, Russian, Dutch dead and then look at who's 'empire' was still standing in 1946, you get a pretty good idea of the magnitude involved. Could it have been done "easier?" Not really. The republican refusal to get the nation involved in war (body count notwithstanding) tells you that something large would need to be done. And the republicans didn't just "become that way." They were "that" way all through the 30's. All the pieces are there. And they fit. No, the picture when done isn't pretty, but history sometimes isn't.
Bibliography:
Berlin - Antony Beevor
Spycatcher - Peter Wright
Trading With The Enemy - Charles Higham
End Of Empire - Brian Lapham
Guadalcanal Trilogy - Eric Hammell
Imperial Cruise - James Bradley
Happy Days Are Here Again - Steven Neal
Shield Of The Republic - Michael Isenberg
Brian Lapham's excellent book "End Of Empire" covers every country Britain captured, how they captured it, why they captured it, and why they let it go. American politics comes into a lot of the stories. Here's a cool one for you: when we liberated the Philippines, did we make them "free?" No? So why did we make the people of New Guinea, Guadalcanal and Tarawa free? Weren't they owned by Britain? Ooops. Yes they were. So by all rights, we should have killed the Japanese and then given the islands back to the British Empire, right?
Why were we (Admiral King) so adamnant that the British not get involved in the Pacific to "help us?" What were you told? Were you told that British ships and American ships had different supply procedures and methods? You were? Well then answer this: how did the "inadequate" British ships refuel and resupply American ships in the Med? Or North Africa? Or in the Solomons? Simple. We didn't want them there cuz we were taking their property. This is also why Churchill busted his ass to get the Far Eastern Fleet into the Pacific.
Charles Higham then introduces "Trading With The Enemy." Ever wonder why the stereotypically hawkish republicans were so AGAINST getting involved in WW2? Even though the Germans were sinking our ships and killing our sailors? This book explains why. This book also links "Imperial Cruise's" assertations with financial receipts to back it up. Virtually ever action undertaken in China prior to 1930 was done with American/British economic knowledge/approval. You need only read any books on the Boxer Rebellion to figure out the Chinese were being played.
Brutality? Where'd that come from? We 'mericans have never heard o' that! Oh really? American conquest of the Philippines ring a bell? Where'd the Germans get "scorched earth" from? Honestly Sarge...research Pershing. Sadly though, when you're trying to be head chef, the smell of rotten and burnt food kinda throws customers off, right? So taking a leaf out of Britain's book, new customer Japan was groomed to "run" China. Britain built Japan's Navy. Germany built Japan's Air Force. What'd America build? Their army. We knew (Imperial Cruise) that China was too big to conquer and would be too much work in the long run (a problem that Britain found out with India ["End Of Empire"]). So Perry's "opening up of Japan" was more three-sided than you can imagine. There were so many alterior motives that Roosevelt was actually close to ordering military action as everyone was so sure the Japanese would figure it out and kill our landing parties ("Shield Of The Republic" [another great USN history book for you...]).
We built most - if not all - of Japan's financial infrastructure. They had been "opened up" but needed credit. That came from us. Naturally. No conspiracy. Easily researched. Even the Japanese as babies in the world knew that a credit "favor" would have strings attached. By the time 1920 rolled around, Japan was the Saddam of the area. Remember how "scary Saddam" helped us keep our influence in the Middle East? Historical animosity between the Koreas, Chinas and Japan was still there and they were used by both Britain and the USA as a foil to maintain trade agreements, etc.
"Happy Days Are Here Again." A great book about FDR's "economic miracle." You've probably passed over this book, right? I know I did. Thought I knew everything about the New Deal, depression, etc. Now stop for a moment and think about a phrase you've heard time and again about America in WW2: "the arsenal of democracy." We basically out built everyone. We were building ships faster than the enemy could sink them. More tanks than (insert analogy of your choice), etc. Now consider **WHO** actually did that. Not all of America was hunky dory about the New Deal. Big business had some issues. There were strikes, labor disputes, etc. So what was needed was a way to energize the economy. War maybe? Examine Lend Lease from a business perspective. Forget what history told you it was. Examine it from a purely financial outlook (Trading With The Enemy).
If you add up all the American WW2 dead versus all the British, French, Japanese, German, Russian, Dutch dead and then look at who's 'empire' was still standing in 1946, you get a pretty good idea of the magnitude involved. Could it have been done "easier?" Not really. The republican refusal to get the nation involved in war (body count notwithstanding) tells you that something large would need to be done. And the republicans didn't just "become that way." They were "that" way all through the 30's. All the pieces are there. And they fit. No, the picture when done isn't pretty, but history sometimes isn't.
Bibliography:
Berlin - Antony Beevor
Spycatcher - Peter Wright
Trading With The Enemy - Charles Higham
End Of Empire - Brian Lapham
Guadalcanal Trilogy - Eric Hammell
Imperial Cruise - James Bradley
Happy Days Are Here Again - Steven Neal
Shield Of The Republic - Michael Isenberg
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