Posted on Jun 30, 2016
Navy says American sailors blabbed to Iranian captors
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"No one need die over a misunderstanding..." Dead in the water and outgunned--as a leader, what would you have done?
Navy says American sailors blabbed to Iranian captors
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Rules of Engagement (ROE)
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I think with as many guns as are on those boats, I'd not been boarded and if that seemed inevitable burn the sigsec disable the weapons and trash the comms gear.
Questions I still ask are;
- What were these guys rules of engagement and were they over regulated to a point that the leader felt it was a safer bet to get captured than smoke some bad guys and go down swinging.
- Had anyone ever talked to these folks about what actions to take in the event they were over run like sigsec demo, ditching weapons systems or even scuttling their boats to prevent the enemy from getting them. Again was the command climate such that the leader was more afraid of demoing and ditching gear that surrender seemed a better option?
We worked hard on deployments to make it clear to the troops that the code of conduct is still real but the better option was to fight like hell and if your gear was going to fall into the enemies hands burn it.
Questions I still ask are;
- What were these guys rules of engagement and were they over regulated to a point that the leader felt it was a safer bet to get captured than smoke some bad guys and go down swinging.
- Had anyone ever talked to these folks about what actions to take in the event they were over run like sigsec demo, ditching weapons systems or even scuttling their boats to prevent the enemy from getting them. Again was the command climate such that the leader was more afraid of demoing and ditching gear that surrender seemed a better option?
We worked hard on deployments to make it clear to the troops that the code of conduct is still real but the better option was to fight like hell and if your gear was going to fall into the enemies hands burn it.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
CSM Richard StCyr with the notable exception of Marines, I think those days are long gone, my friend.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
CSM Richard StCyr - and here's the proof:
The partially censored report also cited instances of unnamed sailors violating the military’s code of conduct while in captivity. One sailor made “statements adverse to U.S. interests” during interrogation. A different sailor encouraged fellow crewmembers to eat food offered to them while being videotaped by the Iranians.
A sailor was said to have failed to uphold the code of conduct standards when he ordered crewmembers to cooperate with the Iranian video production and “acquiesced” in making an Iranian-scripted statement on camera in exchange for the crews’ release.
Officials said that as a result, the Navy is stepping up training in adherence to the code of conduct.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/30/weak-leadership-poor-judgment-lack-of-warfighting-toughness-blamed-for-iran-encounter-in-gulf/
The partially censored report also cited instances of unnamed sailors violating the military’s code of conduct while in captivity. One sailor made “statements adverse to U.S. interests” during interrogation. A different sailor encouraged fellow crewmembers to eat food offered to them while being videotaped by the Iranians.
A sailor was said to have failed to uphold the code of conduct standards when he ordered crewmembers to cooperate with the Iranian video production and “acquiesced” in making an Iranian-scripted statement on camera in exchange for the crews’ release.
Officials said that as a result, the Navy is stepping up training in adherence to the code of conduct.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/30/weak-leadership-poor-judgment-lack-of-warfighting-toughness-blamed-for-iran-encounter-in-gulf/
Weak Leadership, Poor Judgment, Lack of ‘Warfighting Toughness’ Blamed for Iran Encounter in Gulf...
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Weak leadership, poor judgment, a lack of "warfighting toughness" and a litany of errors led to the embarrassing capture and detention by Iran of 10 U.S. sailors in the Persian Gulf in January, according to a Navy investigation released Thursday. Six officers and three enlisted...
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If they opened mouth, then they should be give some form of punishment.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth a participation trophy (sarc)? Until I stare into the barrels of Iranian gunboats I can't say what I would do--but to give up intel in addition to name, rank, serial #? I hope my CO would have ordered laptops and other electronics overboard and to shut up and let the brass 'shine'.
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