Posted on Oct 27, 2020
Philadelphia police shooting of armed Black man sparks violent clashes, at least 30 cops injured:...
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This seems to be the status quo now. Why do we only hear about shootings if it is someone who is Black? It makes it seem like they are being targetted and picked off. Here is a link to stats:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
If you look at parts per million it does look bad but it isn't put into context either. I want to know why the stats look like that.
George Floyd was a horrific incident. However, until we start talking about these issues in depth nothing can be done. Rioting, burning, looting, etc is not contributing to an open dialogue.
I admit I have no idea what the Black experience is in this country. I do think nothing will change until people on all sides sit down and discuss the issues and come up with solutions. The only thing accomplished by all this rioting is further victimization of the community they claim to care about.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
If you look at parts per million it does look bad but it isn't put into context either. I want to know why the stats look like that.
George Floyd was a horrific incident. However, until we start talking about these issues in depth nothing can be done. Rioting, burning, looting, etc is not contributing to an open dialogue.
I admit I have no idea what the Black experience is in this country. I do think nothing will change until people on all sides sit down and discuss the issues and come up with solutions. The only thing accomplished by all this rioting is further victimization of the community they claim to care about.
Philadelphia police shooting of armed Black man sparks violent clashes, at least 30 cops injured:...
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Each case is different, and you have to look at the facts of the case before you go off decrying one side or the other.
George Floyd was pretty cut and dried as a terrible act by that officer and the others who stood by and watched it happen. So was the man who got shot in the back while running away and the kid in Cleveland with a toy gun.
Then there are situations like this one, where the suspect is armed and menacing. You could make a case that the officers should have used a less lethal means to subdue the suspect, but the fact is that he was armed and threatening to attack. Those officers did the "allowable", if not necessarily "right" thing.
The other side of the coin that I have lived here in Minneapolis is what is a "Lawful Assembly" to protest using your 1st Amendment rights to do so. Show up with a sign outside city hall and holler at them = good and lawful. Show up with burglary tools and incendiaries to destroy property or fight police = bad and illegal.
Bad and illegal will get you blasted with a water cannon or clubbed by riot police, and I don't feel sorry for you. If you were there to do the right thing and someone in the group decides to do the wrong thing, it is incumbent on the protesters to ostracize and if necessary, leave to deny the criminal element the cover of your peaceful protest to do decidedly unpeaceful things.
George Floyd was pretty cut and dried as a terrible act by that officer and the others who stood by and watched it happen. So was the man who got shot in the back while running away and the kid in Cleveland with a toy gun.
Then there are situations like this one, where the suspect is armed and menacing. You could make a case that the officers should have used a less lethal means to subdue the suspect, but the fact is that he was armed and threatening to attack. Those officers did the "allowable", if not necessarily "right" thing.
The other side of the coin that I have lived here in Minneapolis is what is a "Lawful Assembly" to protest using your 1st Amendment rights to do so. Show up with a sign outside city hall and holler at them = good and lawful. Show up with burglary tools and incendiaries to destroy property or fight police = bad and illegal.
Bad and illegal will get you blasted with a water cannon or clubbed by riot police, and I don't feel sorry for you. If you were there to do the right thing and someone in the group decides to do the wrong thing, it is incumbent on the protesters to ostracize and if necessary, leave to deny the criminal element the cover of your peaceful protest to do decidedly unpeaceful things.
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CPL Earl Kochis
The kid in Cleveland had a pellet gun that was modeled after a 380 and had removed the orange tip! Thus making the pellet gun “which is not a toy and requires an adult to buy” an illegally modified firearm by Ohio state law! Yes a child lost his life which is a tragedy, but the officer was justified when the child reached for the gun after being told to not move 3 times! The child was 11 or 12 years old so should’ve listened when an authority figure told him not to move.
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There was nothing at all wrong with the shooting. The suspect had a knife and he was charging at the officers with it. Mama appeared and begged them not to kill her son. But he kept coming at the officer and finally they shot him. They put him in a patrol car and raced him to a hospital where he died. Think of the irony of having to shoot a suspect but then trying to save their life. Yeah African Americans not knowing the details automatically assume but the cops just killed another black man. They released the video right away but the blacks for some reason don't think it's okay to kill a black man who's got a knife. I don't get that. I'm not a racist. More whites are shot and killed by the police than blacks and we don't riot in the streets. I just don't get the part about rioting without knowing the facts. If you look at the FBI statistics on crime you would see the blacks are responsible for 52% of all homicides and 72% of all violent crimes but only represent 13% of the United States. Statistically speaking what would you expect the police to do when they're up against these kinds of odds? They are assigned where the crime is at. A further irony is that the cop that shot him was black. I just don't get it. At the end of the day the cop just wants to go home to his family. If you don't want to get killed by the police don't charge at them with a knife. Don't do something stupid.
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PO3 Patricia Miner
I completely agree with all your points. That's why I put the statistics up and said it dies not answer the questions.
Twice as many whites are shot but commit a smaller percentage of crimes.
These people are victimizing their own with these riots. There is nothing logical about that.
Twice as many whites are shot but commit a smaller percentage of crimes.
These people are victimizing their own with these riots. There is nothing logical about that.
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SSG Robert Ricci
PO3 Patricia Miner we both agree that we don't understand. And you're right. They destroy their own neighborhoods in protest. Protesting the legitimate shooting of the person - not a race - that was attacking a police officer? They say that the police disproportionately arrest and incarcerate blacks without considering the fact that as you've discovered as well as what I have in have known for decades is that the blacks are committing the majority of the violent crimes. It's just like we learned in the military. You put your troops where they're needed most. You don't put them in the upscale neighborhoods except to protect those neighborhoods from crime. You put your troops where the crime is occurring with the hope that you can decrease it so that the good people in those areas have a quality of life. When can still drive through South Central Los Angeles and see the nice homes well-kept lawns by daylight and yet that same neighborhood turns into a war zone when the sun goes down.
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The shooting is the excuse for criminals to do what they do. It is done under the guise of protest, but is done because they know the current political leaders in certain cities will do nothing to stop them, but rather damn near fully support them.
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