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CSM Richard StCyr
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Not surprised. Sapper school crams a ton of stuff into a short period of time. Demo calculations and the multiple steps required in the different reconnaissance elements are a royal pain on sleep deprivation and patrolling is also tough.
Before the Tab was authorized whole units (platoon sized elements) went through together and passing was a crap shoot based on the skills of the units leaders. Since the Tab became authorized the course is open to nearly all MOSs like Ranger school. So folks who are not Engineers tend to have trouble with all the engineer reconnaissance missions and target folders for , bridge, route, demo, etc (ain't just kickin' doors). The physical requirements are also brutal, these cats cover some ground during the course.
While I never earned the Tab, I did serve as the CSM for the battalion and later the Brigade that runs the course and had the opportunity to participate in many of the training events. The instructors are the best the Engineers have to offer (they are/ were screened by the Regimental CSM) and they will smoke your bag. So both suppositions Andrew puts forth are quite probably true.
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1SG Dennis Jones
1SG Dennis Jones
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CSM Richard StCyr - I was actually both I held the 62 series also from my active duty Marine Corps got out in 81 as a 1349 Engineer Equipment Chief
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CSM Richard StCyr
CSM Richard StCyr
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1SG Dennis Jones - Here are the new MOS numbers. The old 51Z5 would now be 12X5.
12A- Engineer Senior Sergeant

12B - Combat Engineer

12C - Bridge Crewmember

12D - Diver

12G - Quarrying Specialist

12H - Constructlon Engineering Supervisor

12K - Plumber

12M - Firefighter

12N - Horizontal Construction Engineer

12P - Prime Power Production Specialist

12Q -Power Line Distribution Specialist

12R - lnterior Electrician

12T - Technical Engineer

12V - Construction and Asphalt Equipment Operator

12W - Carpentry and Masonry Specialist

12X - General Engineering Supervisor

12Y - Geospatial Engineer

12Z - Combat Engineering Senior Sergeant
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CSM Richard StCyr
CSM Richard StCyr
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1SG Dennis Jones - Awesome, imagine that was helpful on large projects.
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1SG Dennis Jones
1SG Dennis Jones
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Yes it was our Bn did a summer camp at Leonard Wood we put in the low water crossing on the River can't think of the name it was toward the back gate , been a few years ago
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SGT Darren Helfrich
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I went to sapper leadership school at ft leonardwood mo and it was a challenge they did not have a sapper tab back then and it was a brutal 4 week course. It was a team environment and believe me you needed your team.
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SSgt Carpenter
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I'm quite interested to find out the rest of this story.
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Same here, must be a lot missing from this story. I have heard of full teams/squads getting taken out of the running for missing firing pins(M240B) Etc, never a whole class though.
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