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Summer's winding down: Are your sleeves still rolled? | ArmyTimes
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Summer's winding down: Are your sleeves still rolled?
In contrast, sleeve-rolling is mandatory for soldiers in the 1st Infantry Division from April 15 through Oct. 15, according to a video of the division’s command team posted on Facebook.
On Fort Hood, Texas, where this all began – a soldier asked Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley for permission to roll sleeves when the general presided over a reenlistment ceremony there – soldiers in the 1st Cavalry Division can roll their sleeves at their commander’s discretion, said Maj. John Miller, a spokesman for the division.
The 1st Cavalry Division command team, Maj. Gen. J.T. Thomson and Command Sgt. Maj. Maurice Jackson, only stipulate that a formation has to be the same – with all sleeves either up or down – based on that subordinate commander’s decision, Miller said.
The same goes for an end date. Division leaders will not stipulate the uniform requirements of a subordinate command as long as formations are in the same uniform, Miller said.
In the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, sleeve-rolling is allowed but not mandatory, said Master Sgt. Pat Malone, a spokesman for the division.
“Commanders have the flexibility to establish uniform guidance in accordance with their mission requirements,” Malone said.
For example, he said, commanders can call for sleeves down for events such as change of command ceremonies. Sleeves also can only be rolled in garrison; sleeves will be down and cuffed during field training exercises and airborne operations.
For paratroopers in the 82nd Airborne, they likely will be allowed to roll their sleeves from April through October, based on “the temperate climate we are in,” Malone said, adding that that timeframe “is not written in stone” and is, again, up to commanders.
The rules are similar for soldiers in the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
“Commanders may authorize rolled sleeves in garrison in the 101st, but it is not mandatory,” said Master Sgt. Kevin Doheny, a spokesman for the division.
The same goes for the 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Stewart, Georgia, where soldiers are allowed to roll their sleeves as long as their first sergeant approves.
Milley on June 16 announced a 10-day sleeve-rolling trial at Fort Hood after a soldier asked during a re-enlistment ceremony for permission to roll his sleeves.
The issue of rolled sleeves – the Marine Corps allows sleeve-rolling in the summer, as do the Air Force and Navy – has been a hot topic among soldiers for years. In February, when Army Times asked readers what they wanted Dailey to tackle during his second year on the job, several wrote in asking for permission to roll their sleeves in the summer.
Soldiers have not been allowed to roll up their sleeves since the Army Combat Uniform replaced the Battle Dress Uniform in 2005. The Army’s official explanation was that the top was made to protect soldiers’ forearms from the sun, insects and other elements, and it’s not designed to be cuffed.
Sleeve-rolling is at the commander’s discretion, said Sergeant Major of the Army Dan Dailey. And there are no time or seasonal limits as long as it’s approved by your commander, he said, citing for example soldiers stationed in Hawaii, where the weather is warm pretty much all year.
Soldiers also will be allowed cuff their sleeves, with the camo facing out, in a field environment, Dailey said.
“You can cuff your sleeves in temperate environments at the discretion of the commander and if there are no safety issues,” Dailey said.
As a reminder, according to the Army memo:
• Commanders may authorized rolled sleeves effective immediately.
• The memo applies to the Army Combat Uniform in the Universal Camouflage Pattern, Operational Camouflage Pattern or Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern.
• Sleeves will be rolled with the camo facing out.
• Sleeves will be rolled neatly above the elbow but no more than 3 inches above the elbow.
• Sleeves may be down and cuffed upon commander approval and only during field training exercises. TSgt Joe C. SFC William Farrell SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" PO1 William "Chip" Nagel LTC Stephen F. SSG Warren Swan PO2 Ed C.SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas SGM Mikel Dawson CSM Charles Hayden SSG Derrick L. Lewis MBA, C-HRMSPC Neal Grilley SGT Damaso V Santana MAJ Ken Landgren SGT Robert George SPC Margaret Higgins SGT (Join to see) ENS (Join to see) MSG Chris Allen SFC George Smith
In contrast, sleeve-rolling is mandatory for soldiers in the 1st Infantry Division from April 15 through Oct. 15, according to a video of the division’s command team posted on Facebook.
On Fort Hood, Texas, where this all began – a soldier asked Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley for permission to roll sleeves when the general presided over a reenlistment ceremony there – soldiers in the 1st Cavalry Division can roll their sleeves at their commander’s discretion, said Maj. John Miller, a spokesman for the division.
The 1st Cavalry Division command team, Maj. Gen. J.T. Thomson and Command Sgt. Maj. Maurice Jackson, only stipulate that a formation has to be the same – with all sleeves either up or down – based on that subordinate commander’s decision, Miller said.
The same goes for an end date. Division leaders will not stipulate the uniform requirements of a subordinate command as long as formations are in the same uniform, Miller said.
In the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, sleeve-rolling is allowed but not mandatory, said Master Sgt. Pat Malone, a spokesman for the division.
“Commanders have the flexibility to establish uniform guidance in accordance with their mission requirements,” Malone said.
For example, he said, commanders can call for sleeves down for events such as change of command ceremonies. Sleeves also can only be rolled in garrison; sleeves will be down and cuffed during field training exercises and airborne operations.
For paratroopers in the 82nd Airborne, they likely will be allowed to roll their sleeves from April through October, based on “the temperate climate we are in,” Malone said, adding that that timeframe “is not written in stone” and is, again, up to commanders.
The rules are similar for soldiers in the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
“Commanders may authorize rolled sleeves in garrison in the 101st, but it is not mandatory,” said Master Sgt. Kevin Doheny, a spokesman for the division.
The same goes for the 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Stewart, Georgia, where soldiers are allowed to roll their sleeves as long as their first sergeant approves.
Milley on June 16 announced a 10-day sleeve-rolling trial at Fort Hood after a soldier asked during a re-enlistment ceremony for permission to roll his sleeves.
The issue of rolled sleeves – the Marine Corps allows sleeve-rolling in the summer, as do the Air Force and Navy – has been a hot topic among soldiers for years. In February, when Army Times asked readers what they wanted Dailey to tackle during his second year on the job, several wrote in asking for permission to roll their sleeves in the summer.
Soldiers have not been allowed to roll up their sleeves since the Army Combat Uniform replaced the Battle Dress Uniform in 2005. The Army’s official explanation was that the top was made to protect soldiers’ forearms from the sun, insects and other elements, and it’s not designed to be cuffed.
Sleeve-rolling is at the commander’s discretion, said Sergeant Major of the Army Dan Dailey. And there are no time or seasonal limits as long as it’s approved by your commander, he said, citing for example soldiers stationed in Hawaii, where the weather is warm pretty much all year.
Soldiers also will be allowed cuff their sleeves, with the camo facing out, in a field environment, Dailey said.
“You can cuff your sleeves in temperate environments at the discretion of the commander and if there are no safety issues,” Dailey said.
As a reminder, according to the Army memo:
• Commanders may authorized rolled sleeves effective immediately.
• The memo applies to the Army Combat Uniform in the Universal Camouflage Pattern, Operational Camouflage Pattern or Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern.
• Sleeves will be rolled with the camo facing out.
• Sleeves will be rolled neatly above the elbow but no more than 3 inches above the elbow.
• Sleeves may be down and cuffed upon commander approval and only during field training exercises. TSgt Joe C. SFC William Farrell SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" PO1 William "Chip" Nagel LTC Stephen F. SSG Warren Swan PO2 Ed C.SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas SGM Mikel Dawson CSM Charles Hayden SSG Derrick L. Lewis MBA, C-HRMSPC Neal Grilley SGT Damaso V Santana MAJ Ken Landgren SGT Robert George SPC Margaret Higgins SGT (Join to see) ENS (Join to see) MSG Chris Allen SFC George Smith
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@SFC Joe s SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL What a circus. When the Army won't tell Soldiers what to do with their sleeves and leaves it up to almost any local leader to decide!
Who in in charge of the Army? Cannot they simply say: sleeves up, all CONUS! Is not uniformity a feature of the military?
Who in in charge of the Army? Cannot they simply say: sleeves up, all CONUS! Is not uniformity a feature of the military?
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I still avoid the sun as much as I can SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL. When I was younger and in uniform I spent too much time in the sun and got burned a few times but never had any more serious heat-related conditions.
Depending on the environment and the fatigue uniform sometimes sleeves stayed down and sometimes we were in green t-shirts in the 1970s and brown t-shirts in the 1980s.
Depending on the environment and the fatigue uniform sometimes sleeves stayed down and sometimes we were in green t-shirts in the 1970s and brown t-shirts in the 1980s.
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