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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/04/09/Ted-Cruz-birther-lawsuit-appealed-to-Supreme-Court/ [login to see] 964/?spt=hs&or=tn_us
Strange as it may seem, it would probably be a good idea for the Supreme Court to hear the action and hand down a definitive ruling on what "natural born" does mean.
On the other hand, having the "Birther Movement" around does make a certain amount of financial sense for the less reputable media and for those who want to take advantage of ignorant/stupid people
Strange as it may seem, it would probably be a good idea for the Supreme Court to hear the action and hand down a definitive ruling on what "natural born" does mean.
On the other hand, having the "Birther Movement" around does make a certain amount of financial sense for the less reputable media and for those who want to take advantage of ignorant/stupid people
Ted Cruz 'birther' lawsuit appealed to Supreme Court
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Election 2016
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The Phoenix rises again. I would really like for the SCOTUS to review and make a call on precisely what constitutes a natural born citizen with all the permutations after the 9th Justice has been installed. However, article from Law newz.
"But, truth be told, his case has a pretty slim chance of being heard by the U.S. Supreme Court, they only grant a very small percentage of petitions.
“Whether or not doubts about Senator Cruz’s eligibility to run for President are well founded, this cert petition is not. It is frivolous. The petitioner clearly lacks standing – not because he is filing pro se (the Supreme Court regularly grants pro se petitions) – but because he lacks standing under basic principles of Article III, meaning that the Court doesn’t have jurisdiction to hear the case,” Yale Law School professor Linda Greenhouse told LawNewz.com. Greenhouse covered the U.S. Supreme court for decades while serving as a reporter for The New York Times."
"But, truth be told, his case has a pretty slim chance of being heard by the U.S. Supreme Court, they only grant a very small percentage of petitions.
“Whether or not doubts about Senator Cruz’s eligibility to run for President are well founded, this cert petition is not. It is frivolous. The petitioner clearly lacks standing – not because he is filing pro se (the Supreme Court regularly grants pro se petitions) – but because he lacks standing under basic principles of Article III, meaning that the Court doesn’t have jurisdiction to hear the case,” Yale Law School professor Linda Greenhouse told LawNewz.com. Greenhouse covered the U.S. Supreme court for decades while serving as a reporter for The New York Times."
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COL Ted Mc
MCPO Roger Collins - Master Chief; I agree with you. I don't actually care WHICH WAY the Supreme Court comes down on the issue BUT I would like to see the issue clarified so that we don't have to keep on dealing with petty carping over dubious points of tangential importance.
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If you meet certain requirements, you may become a U.S. citizen either at birth or after birth.
To become a citizen at birth, you must:
Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
Had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements.
To become a citizen after birth, you must:
Apply for “derived” or “acquired” citizenship through parents
Apply for naturalization
For more information, see USCIS Policy Manual Citizenship and Naturalization Guidance.
https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship
To become a citizen at birth, you must:
Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
Had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements.
To become a citizen after birth, you must:
Apply for “derived” or “acquired” citizenship through parents
Apply for naturalization
For more information, see USCIS Policy Manual Citizenship and Naturalization Guidance.
https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship
Thinking of becoming a U.S. citizen?
Here are the requirements for citizenship.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
MSgt (Join to see) I wanted to see if somehow the punctuation has been changed in the Constitution over the years so I pulled up the best photo I could find of the original online. It was pretty blurry, but I think I was able to make out that the punctuation is the same.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
I appreciate and thank you for your candor and professionalism in the conversation. I agree the whole concept is very blurry and it will be interesting if any action or decisions of interpretation are made. Hope you have a great day sir!
I appreciate and thank you for your candor and professionalism in the conversation. I agree the whole concept is very blurry and it will be interesting if any action or decisions of interpretation are made. Hope you have a great day sir!
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Sgt Mark Ramos
Here is an interesting article on the topic:
http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm
http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm
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I side with the precedent that one must be born in the US (or under special maritime jurisdiction) in order to be eligible to be POTUS. I am a flaming liberal, I admit it. The Constitution specifies requirements for the position that differ than Congress, etc. I don't believe for a minute that Sen. Cruz is eligible. I wonder why it took two years for Sen. Cruz to denounce Canadian citizenship (2014).
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
I would call that a Conservative Interpretation of the Constitution by a Liberal and I like it. A literalist.
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COL Ted Mc
MAJ Keira Brennan - Major; I take the position that the requirement is that the President must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America and that the meaning of "natural born citizen" is something which is "legislatively defined" (and in the absence of a legislative definition then it is "judicially interpreted" [which "judicial interpretation" can be later changed by "legislative definition"]).
There is no "precedent" involved here there is only "law".
It probably took Sen. Cruz the two years to realize that there was ZERO chance of the issue "going away" if he did not renounce his Canadian citizenship. Unfortunately, renouncing his Canadian citizenship does NOT convert Sen. Cruz into a "natural born citizen" unless his birth was registered and his American citizenship claim confirmed in accordance with the applicable laws of the day. IF, Sen. Cruz' mother DID NOT make the appropriate application, then Sen. Cruz is NOT an American citizen at all (although he is potentially eligible to become one [after going through the "naturalization process"]). If Sen. Cruz is NOT an American citizen at all then he is an illegal alien - unfortunately he could only be deported to the country from which he entered the US and there is some doubt about whether the Canadian government would be willing to allow the US government to deport "a person who has no connection with Canada and who renounced their Canadian citizenship as part of an illegal conspiracy" to Canada. [Of course the option of simply picking him up and tossing him over the 49th parallel is always open to the US government.]
There is no "precedent" involved here there is only "law".
It probably took Sen. Cruz the two years to realize that there was ZERO chance of the issue "going away" if he did not renounce his Canadian citizenship. Unfortunately, renouncing his Canadian citizenship does NOT convert Sen. Cruz into a "natural born citizen" unless his birth was registered and his American citizenship claim confirmed in accordance with the applicable laws of the day. IF, Sen. Cruz' mother DID NOT make the appropriate application, then Sen. Cruz is NOT an American citizen at all (although he is potentially eligible to become one [after going through the "naturalization process"]). If Sen. Cruz is NOT an American citizen at all then he is an illegal alien - unfortunately he could only be deported to the country from which he entered the US and there is some doubt about whether the Canadian government would be willing to allow the US government to deport "a person who has no connection with Canada and who renounced their Canadian citizenship as part of an illegal conspiracy" to Canada. [Of course the option of simply picking him up and tossing him over the 49th parallel is always open to the US government.]
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