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LTC Stephen F.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL I am glad the US Navy decided to dump the blue-and-gray camouflage and that they adopted woodland digital camouflage uniforms.
At least the woodland digital camouflage uniforms blend in with part of the earth while the blue-and-gray didn't seem to blend with any terrain or ocean, sea or riverine operations.
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LT Charles Baird
LT Charles Baird
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LTC Stephen F. Actually the blue and gray did blend in quite well with the ocean; when a sailor fell overboard in them they were near impossible to see - however they can not be used as flotation devices as well as the old dungarees. As the Navy is 90 percent water based the Type III's really don't make sense for anyone but those of us who are dirt sailors - so I am still confused about why the blue water Navy would change to green.
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen F.
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LT Charles Baird - that is interesting. In the 1970's we were trained to use our OD green fatigues as flotation devices as we practiced falling overboard a ship in daylight r blindfolded to simulate night time.
I would think that an increased requirement for littoral operations which could include landing or amphibious operations would be a reason to adopt a camouflage that blended with some land foilage.
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LT Charles Baird
LT Charles Baird
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LTC Stephen F. The littoral ships don't land - the riverine group is part of NECC which already wear the Type III pictured above as they also support the SEAL Teams. The rest of the Navy stays out to sea. Currently anyone attached to a unit that falls under the purview of NECC (Navy Expeditionary Combat Command) such as Riverine, Seabee, Cargo Handling, etc... wear the Type III.
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen F.
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LT Charles Baird - thanks for fleshing out the details. I am aware littoral ships don't "land." I expect they will be used closer to the "shore" at times.
I remember in the 1990s when each service wore the BDUs. The SEALs wore the BDUS after other US Navy sailors switched to later fatigue type uniforms.
One aspect of uniforms is that they tend to be uniform throughout the organization. For some the uniform makes sense while for others who work away from direct combat or in an office the uniform makes less sense to the casual observer.
I spent a few years working with the US Army Clothing and Textile team in Army G-4 which included coordination with PEO Soldier, Natick Labs, and uniform manufacturers.
That work included many "uniform" issues for dress uniforms and fatigue uniforms as well as Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment (OCIE).
Early on in OEF and OIF some units wore battle uniforms with mismatched pattern OCIE. For units which operated at night it wasn't as important an issue as units which operated in the day. Since you are a Naval Supply Corps Officer, I expect you have some familiarity with the issue of uniform development and trying to design, develop and field matching OCIE - not sure if navy uses the same term.
In those days there was some frustration in the services at camouflage pattern changes which happened more often once digital was introduced. The OCIE pattern changes didn't catch up as frequently and there was the issue of what to do with old-pattern OCIE.
Uniforms tend to wear out more frequently than OCIE which is reissued unless kinetic rounds, blood and guts, or other contaminants stop it from being useful. Nobody wants to be issued their dead buddy's stuff is a general rule.
Sometimes this went to National Guard Units and sometimes it was FMS or even domestic police uses.
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PO1 Richard Cormier
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How stupid can they get (this is NOT a Challenge but an insult)? With the exception of Sea Bees, SEAL's, and other types of special force personnel, who would need woodland cammies? WHO thinks ships sail the FOREST of this Earth? Glad I got out a long time ago when the Navy was the Navy.
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CPT Andrew Wright
CPT Andrew Wright
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For about twenty years the sailors wore DCUs and it kind of made sense because there is a lot of sand on a beach near where the ships are. It was also good for all those sailors I saw in the middle of Iraq (al Anbar)! Both the Army and Navy should have kept DCUs and just issued uniforms for deployments based on the environment.
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ENS Naval Officer   Ip Student
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I am very excited to finally be able to wear these!
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I wore a BDU for my 24 years of service and loved it, have worn NWU III and II, also Army ACU and Multi Cam, loved the Type III and II best. Took me some time to get use to units or personnel other than NECC/NSW wearing them, but I think it is the correct course of action (COA) for the Navy.
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