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CPT Jack Durish
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I've seen several attempts to foist this story off as real history. The Soviet Union contributed nothing to the defeat of Japan. They stood aloof from that war joining only at the end so they could claim a piece of Manchuria and China as Japan withdrew (leading to much of the border issues between Russia and China that continue to this day). Japan attempted to negotiate a cease fire through the Soviet Union but that came to nothing. The atomic bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima did not persuade the military leaders of Japan to surrender, but they did move the Japanese Emperor to call for surrender which the military was obligated to obey. This is why the military leaders attempted to prevent the Emperor's speech of surrender from being broadcast. Fortunately, two copies of his speech were recorded and sent to the radio station by different routes to insure that it would be broadcast.
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SSgt Donald Libby
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My interest in the article was not to attempt to rewrite history but an interest in the actual history that occurred with regards to the bombing campaign and how the military leaders reacted to it and the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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SSgt Donald Libby - There was an excellent book written by Japanese scholars detailing the final days before Japan surrendered. The military still had hundreds of aircraft and suicide pilots ready to fly them into the invasion fleet. Women and children were equipped with suicide bombs and trained to rush among GIs when they arrived on the beaches. It was going to be a bloodbath on both sides. After watching the Japanese women throwing their children off the cliffs of Okinawa and jumping after them while Americans pleaded with them to stop, Harry Truman saw no option but to order the bombs. (I've stood on those cliffs and tried to imagine what motivated those mothers) I wish I could tell you the name of the book but it is now gone with the rest of my library. When we sold our home and moved into an apartment, we had no room for a 3,000 title library and disposed of it. I have replaced some on Kindle but many, such as the book I'm thinking of, cannot be found in an ebook. It may be Japan's Longest Day (I wish I had kept this one) https://www.amazon.com/Japans-Longest-Day-Surrender-Japanese/dp/B000KER90K/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid= [login to see] &sr=1-3&keywords=japan+surrender
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Nonsense. What's with the Russia love lately? Japan had been pushed back to the home islands by the U.S. and it's cities were in smoking ruins. Good old American ass kicking, nothing to do with the entrance of the USSR to get in on the spoils.
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SSgt Donald Libby
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My only intent was to present an opinion piece not to show "Russia love". The author does not offer any concrete proof of Stalin's intent or non-intent. It his hypothesis. I was, and pointed out, more interested in the U.S. bombing campaign against Japan. As the article does point out in fact the cities were in smoking ruins but the Japanese were not about to surrender and were willing to sacrifice cities until after the second bomb was dropped.
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CPT Jack Durish
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SSgt Donald Libby - This tale of Stalin ending the war in Japan grew out of the efforts to castigate Truman and the US for using the atomic bombs. To show that they weren't needed.
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Well SSG Armstrong the use of the Nuclear Bomb had a great deal to do with the Soviets entering the war in the Pacific the Soviets had already launched an offensive drive in China and was trying to pressure us to join our invasion of the Japanese home islands in Operation Downfall but President Truman in good wisdom knew better in this instance this was a pretext to power grab simular to what they were doing in Germany and he was not going to have any of that. He knew that if we conducted Operation Downfall it would have delayed the end of the war by at least by optimistic projections about a year and half by that time resulting in 1,000,000 total allied casualties and also the Soviet may have advanced far enough to conduct an invasion and occupation of parts of the Japanese Home Islands and that would not have bold well for the prospects of post war Japan. That all together was incentive to drop fat man and little boy on Nagasaki and Hiroshima because it was a calculated plan that the devastation and loss of life would be undeniable to the Japanese hierarchy and puts them on notice.
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