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LTC Yinon Weiss
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Edited 8 y ago
I don't think it will really affect young recruits making a decision to join the military, but I think it will have a good long term and positive effect on retention. This is because people want to get out of the military will be able to get out at any natural transition point and not feel handcuffed to stay in until 20 years. The types of people just staying in for a retirement and not because they want to continue to serve, in my opinion, tend to have a negative effect on the command climate. Since they will be able to get out with less of an economic penalty, it will clear the path more for those who just want to serve, and improve the overall command climate, which ultimately helps retain the best people.

In short; yes we'll lose some more people, but I think we'll lose the people who want to get out anyway, and we'll retain more of the people who want to stay and serve.
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CSM Geologist
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Sir, well said.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
CPT Mark Gonzalez
8 y
Exactly. Under the current system there is too much dead weight and people that want to leave, but too far in. The new system slightly adjusts with a drop to 40% at 20, but can go further. I believe a further cut in the long run(reduction in set retirement with a boost to 401k match) will actually attract the people who want to serve, but negatively impact those that feel trapped.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
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My concerns
- The recruits won't understand the full financial landscape.
- The recruits are in the spending mode to fulfill their wants and needs instead of investing.
- Many young families will have a hard time finding extra money to invest.
- Recruits will won't understand the investment vehicles to include the risk to reward concept.
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MSgt Alex Taylor
MSgt Alex Taylor
8 y
You make very valid arguments that I agree with. I'm sure the base support agencies will slowly educate new members on the plan, but the onus to invest will be lost on many who enjoy life to the maximum their paycheck will allow while young. As they start to understand the system, they will either kick themselves later for not investing, or decide a further career with the military isn't for them as part of it. The 20 year cliff is still there, only now they will retain a little if they depart early.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
CPT Joseph K Murdock
8 y
It's amazing how broke privates are at the end of the month.
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SFC Wade W.
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There's a big problem. I don't see any incentive to stay in until retirement under this new plan.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
LTC Yinon Weiss
8 y
No incentive? Do you not see any value in wanting to serve?
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
CPT Mark Gonzalez
8 y
At 20 years they would still get 40% plus their separate 401k funds. With that said there is a subsection of personnel that are only staying to 20 because of the cliff system. This is a form of financial coercion and a lot of these people are no longer happy in their service. This brings down their morale and negatively impacts their work and those around them. So a little less coercion in my opinion is a good thing.
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MGySgt James Forward
MGySgt James Forward
8 y
I don't understand your position. So saying for 20 years and receiving 40% of your final three for life is not an incentive to say in? The pay off your 401K could exceed your retirement. So you have thre legs of your retirement stool; Mil retirement, 401K and Social Security. A fourth leg would an addition retirement and increased 401K from addition contributions.
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