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Sgt Tom Cunnally
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I would recommend going back to school as soon as possible after your transition to civilian life. It would be a challenge that requires discipline and hard work which you have experienced in the military. Also financial aid helps with your expenses that you are eligible for.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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Sgt Tom Cunnally Great recommendation!
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PVT Mark Brown
PVT Mark Brown
>1 y
Exactly what I did but just did not have the self-discipline required. I did manage two additional years taking all lower division classes. At the time I thought I wanted to major in theater arts and english. After two jr college, which was in addition to one full year before going into the Army. I ETS'd 30 Nov 1970 and was advised at Ft. Lewis prior to departure to my new life that I should NOT wear my uniform home. I did not understand why he would say that - then I found out why at San Francisco International when I arrived. You get the idea. Of course the attitude toward veterans in the 60's and 70's was quite different than today. But, I know from friends that current vets face a different kind of disapproval than we did, but the era matters not - newly discharged is the same for all of us - perhaps different reasons but readjustment is still necessary to one degree or another. Back during Vietnam we were not provided any pre-ETS preparation or education and I rather doubt such prior separation support is provided to our men and women today. I think the step of returning to civilian life is MUCH more difficult than the step of entering the world of the military. After all, we had our loving drill instructors to gently guiding us through our indoctrination into our military way of life.
So I see it!
Mark
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
5 y
While in hospital prior to going back to my base to be retired on TDRL
(Temp disability Retirement List) I spoke with VA certified counselors and they got me set up to take The
Tests I needed to get into community college once I got retired. I had the Comm College picked out where I’d go.. When I got there I took some of the Restaurant Mgt classes I would need. I got to take them before the Culinary classes.. My credits from Comm Col. Air Force helped a lot. I was able to skip petty classes
Like Government., Phys. Ed. , A math cred .. English Communication credits.. and I could concentrate on the Rest. Mgt. classes.. the next semester in the fall I got into the culinary Classes.. where/when I would have started anyway.. it was neat going to culinary in the morn’g for 5 hours and then a sanitation Mgt class for 2 hrs. That gave me a full day of school. And full benefits. So I had
$400 + from AF ret pay and $400+
From VA for school. Living at home, no R&B , Life was somewhat decent.
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SPC John Lebiecki
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Solid Article! Someone mentioned going back to school (which is a must if you dont have something beyond a high school diploma.)

A couple of other things from what I have learned and from my experience working with my fellow soldiers who also got out. (NOTE: This is specifically going into the IT sector.)

- If you go back to school, get either an Internship or a good entry level job in the field you intend to go into. This helps build the work experience. I have two buddies (one with a Masters in Network Security along with various certificates and one with an associates in CIS with a CCNA) who have had a hard time with landing a job in their desired field. We come out assuming that our 10-20+ years in the military will help get us that ultimate edge. NOT in the IT sector. Be willing to accept that entry level and work your way up. I did that even getting into this job and I learn something new every day.

- Pursue certifications in your area of interest. Every IT job I've walked into and interview for with my Bachelor's degree, they have said "thats great, but what certifications do you have?" I have lost out on jobs based on that alone.


just my .02
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Sgt Data Analyst
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As someone who currently works in the IT sector, all of your statements are right on the money. I was very lucky and started as a contractor for a large corporation, fast forward 3 months and they were seeking me to be hired on as full time based completely on my performance and not much else (because besides my military training/experience I have little to no certifications). A lot of it also has to deal with how you sell yourself to the interviewer. Someone with little experience and excellent interview skills may get you farther than a person with a lot of experience but poor interview skills.
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa
MAJ Rene De La Rosa
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Attitude towards the new job will go far. To quote Scott Hamilton: " The only disability in life is a bad attitude." A strong statement for those seeking work outside the military (and within).
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SGT Robert George
SGT Robert George
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa - great quote MAJ ... thats pretty much in a nut shell true ... Thanks ...
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SSG Izzy Abbass
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Good article. Here is an article I wrote for Every Veteran hired which coincides with this once you land the job.
Congratulations! You’ve finished your service and are now entering the civilian workforce — either by getting training through college or a technical program or by going directly to the market with the skills you used in the military.
This is an exciting period, but it can also lead to confusion and can be awkward at times. There are landmines you can come across that can be damaging to both your career and reputation. Here are some key things to be aware of to help you avoid these pitfalls:

1. Don’t Underestimate the Importance of Issues That Arise
As veterans, we’re used to serious consequences if something goes wrong, and because of that, we tend to look at issues that don’t involve life or death as trivial. Now that you’re in the civilian world, you need to know that there are lots of priorities for people and companies, and both have issues they consider critical for them to complete their missions.
It’s key that you don’t dismiss these issues or the priorities of others or act like you don’t care. Once that impression is created, it can create a feeling that you’re not a part of the team and are not engaged with the company’s needs.

2. Don’t Mistake Appearances
A key mistake people often make is assuming they know something about the person they meet on an elevator or just walking down the hall based on their appearance. Unlike the military, there are no uniforms with rank to tell you where someone resides within the organization. A vice president could be coming in to pick something up from his office in jeans and a sweatshirt just as easily as they could in a nicely tailored suit. Further, unlike in the military, where someone who looks visibly younger tends to be junior, this is not always the case in the civilian world.

There really is no way of knowing until you’ve been with an organization for some time who is who and at what level. Lay low for a bit, observe and get to know those in your new environment. Most of all, treat everyone courteously.

3. Don’t Rely on Military Terms
Just as with your resume, you have to civilianize your speech and stop using so many acronyms. Referring to a marketing effort as falling into your AO will cause some puzzlement. Quite often, companies have action plans or project management tools that will in essence be five-paragraph operation orders — they just don’t verbalize it that way. When you find yourself having to provide an update, you can rely on that strategy, but make sure not to verbalize it that way.
Also, using words like “sir” and “ma’am” will set you apart in a good way, and while many folks will tell you that you don’t have to use those terms, inside they will appreciate your politeness.

4. Loosen Up a Bit
Military customs and courtesies don’t often translate well in the civilian world. It was mentioned to a friend of mine who was recently hired into a large company that he came across as very serious most of the time in the eyes of a number of people there, including the Human Resources department. The company had a much more laid-back social culture, and his seriousness — which is generally how we approach all tasks in the military — conflicted.
Again, observe your surroundings and get to know a few folks. Learn to be open with coworkers and find advocates for yourself that can be relied upon to “educate” you.

5. “Praise in Public and Punish in Private” is Still Important
In the military, you learned that the best leaders heap praise on their teams in public and choose to go behind closed doors to make corrections. Stay with that, even though sometimes you may see the opposite. I once took the blame from our company’s chairman because a colleague under me did something wrong. A vice president came up and asked why I didn’t blame her because he knew she screwed up. I told him what I had learned from my experience and that it has never left me. It shouldn’t leave, you either. Your team will certainly respect you for it, and you will set a great standard for others.

6. Don’t Overshare PTS or TBI
A great majority of vets have done things and seen things we hope many don’t experience. For some of us, that has resulted in some invisible wounds of war. While I would never, ever encourage you to deny these issues, I would say that you don’t need to broadcast these issues to everyone. As we all know, there are varying degrees, and most of us are not debilitated. This is private information that you should share on a need-to-know basis — but do so at a time and in a situation you can control, and look at it as a time to educate others.
You will occasionally get asked questions, which honestly is great — it means that someone wants to be informed and is looking to you to teach them. This is an important opportunity for you to represent the entire veteran community.

7. Be Prepared for Off-the-Wall Questions
At a time when less than 1% of our nation has served (including families who’ve made sacrifices as well) and less than 0.5% have been in combat, there’s a large disconnect between veterans and the rest of the country. Be prepared for questions that, for the most part, are not meant to be rude, but are examples of others looking to understand some of the things you went through. If a question comes off as completely ignorant, try to take it in stride.

In addition, you may, from time to time, be asked, “Did you kill anyone”? The best response I’ve found is telling the person, “That is a very personal thing which has a deep impact on me that I don’t wish to discuss.” You might also want to add, “There are a lot of bad things that happen in war, and those of us who fought have to deal with that. I’m just very happy that those I care about haven’t had to live those experiences.” Either way, the person will quickly get the idea of how truly personal this is and hopefully move the conversation on to other subjects.


Finally, one thing to remember is that you are now an ambassador to the world on behalf of all veterans. We need your help in educating the greater community and breaking down the barriers and misconceptions that exist. If you ever have a question or need to vent, reach out to me or fellow veterans who understand where you’re coming from.
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa
MAJ Rene De La Rosa
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I think you hit the relevant points. I wrote them down to remember when I seek outside employment. True words of wisdom.
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