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LTC Stephen F.
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I needed some time to ponder this question before I responded COL Mikel J. Burroughs.
1st Since the culture of responsibility in the US army ranges from impeccable to atrocious, we need to focus on what characteristics are unique to the Army. I have seen many soldiers thrown under the bus so to speak.
2nd the hyper-competiveness of tactical units can unify but it can also backfire and cause division in combined arms and joint operations when push comes to shove.
3rd the one thing that truly distinguishes military personnel from their civilian counterparts centers on out oath to uphold and defend the constitution and against all enemies - foreign and domestic and secondarily to obey the orders of those who are appointed over us. To the degree that service members take this oath to heart, the degree of personal responsibility increases. The challenges include when the officers appointed over, alongside us, or subordinate to us violate their oath. That is when character is displayed. When we do what is right in those instances we risk losing friendships, potential for promotion and sometimes our very lives.
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SGM Barry Kindred
SGM Barry Kindred
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Great comments sir!!
I personally as a cocky SFC Instructor refused to graduate a SGM, LTC, and a COL in an additional skill identifier course.
I had a Major as my commandant.
I refused to graduate them because they came TDY for the course and showed up for in processing, a couple more times during the weeks to come, and graduation. No test taking no acquired skills gained, just a ticket punch for the Pentegon pukes.
I held my ground, chastised by anyone and everyone in between..
But, my Major and CSM locked horns with D. C.
Actually made them fly to the Pentagon, at parade rest, getting read the riot act of a no conforming instructor in their employ.
Ha!
When leaving the office of such gross ill repute of a Colonel a 3-Star took an ear to the ass chewing and inquired.
He hence released the Col, Col, SGM, and LTC.
TOLD them to arrange a meeting with me and we'll, the rest is my history.
Good day!
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen F.
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SGM Barry Kindred - Thanks for sharing your experiences "as a cocky SFC Instructor" who stood his ground and enforced the standards.
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SGM Barry Kindred
SGM Barry Kindred
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That LTG told me personally a month later, Kindred, you wouldn't survive a day up here(Pentagon), and the Army is better for it! Now where would you endeavor to go, when can you report and......DONT EVER CHANGE A THING ABOUT YOU!!!
Roger that sir!!
We need more like you!
Whew!
Thought I was going to take a ride back to SSG and ended up with props from above instead.
Thank god.
I had a wife and 3 boys.
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COL Lee Flemming
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Personal integrity, accountability and responsibility! Attributes that take a level of buy-in that maybe you only get in organizations where more than balance sheets are at risk. I agree that they are aspirational qualities that servicemen and women demonstrate a capacity for routinely; I also think that private organizations are at a tremendous objective disadvantage and may never come close because of selfish motivations. Would do a second career in the company that figures it out. Quite frankly it is why I lace 'em up everyday!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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COL Lee Flemming Great response and you are right I don't think a lot of publicly traded companies would come close to what we have experienced in the military. I believe there are still some privately owned companies that may come close! Thanks for your insight Lee!
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2LT Army Medical Student
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sir, my fiance's dad lost his job of 20 years as VP of sales of a big company (I wont name). They refused to make medical equipment for another company when they found out they would be used for abortions. That violated his and the principles of the people on his team. He owns 15% of that company still and is CEO/Pres of a new company making more money than he can spend. The thing a lot of companies overlook is that principles and trust ARE currency. Principled companies have happier employees, buyers, sources, peers. Principles make the difference when 100 companies can provide the same good at a competitive price.
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watching that whole situation transpire over 2 years was a good lesson for me.
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2LT Army Medical Student
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I will push back a little and say there is no better culture of responsibility in the army than in the real world. It happens in worse situations too: training accidents, training deaths, botched mission planning, ect ect...
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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2LT (Join to see) All valid Michael! There is always bad that comes with the good (hold true on the civilian world as well)! Good Point!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - Yes sir! I do appreciate that it is an understood part of the value system/culture. I don't have the experience yet to see a lot of good aspects of personal responsibility in the force when careers/lives were at stake. Maybe other members can share stories. Hopefully that when my time comes, and I bet it does , I do the better thing over the easier thing.
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