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LTC Orlando Illi
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Why you ask? It is called moral relativism. The left does not want to admit that Communism, like Nazism, presupposes that a society is willing to abdicate a strict moral and legal code where moral absolutes are not open to interpretation and the rights of man are guaranteed.
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Cpl Joshua Caldwell
Cpl Joshua Caldwell
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LTC Orlando Illi - Cool, I never heard of that one.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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Cpl Joshua Caldwell - I'm surprised. The Germans made such a hollywood production out of its find. Its in a ton of war books.
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LTC Orlando Illi
LTC Orlando Illi
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PO3 Donald Murphy - it was one of the great unreported massacres of WW-II. The Allies were more concerned in defeating Nazism then reporting Communist atrocities. Do we see a pattern here? Yes even the Allies engaged in Moral Relativism
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MAJ Byron Oyler
MAJ Byron Oyler
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I believe a good portion of this is also that on paper, the equality that communism reads of sounds great, on paper the read of the Nazis killing millions not so great. Most of those on the far ends of society only read what satisfies them and gives them the answers they are looking for. What Stalin and other communists have done is no where published and discussed like what the Nazis did. The anti-communists I speak with in day to day living are generally much more intelligent than those on the political left in our country. They can all tell you about what Hitler did but not Stalin. If you spend any time with racists such as KKK, BLM, skinheads they have about the same low IQ. I have found so many of us that favor the right are educated in what the left wants and the realization 'eventually you run out of other people's money to spend' (PM Thatcher) where as the left has no concept of how working hard for something really gets you more.
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SSG Aircraft Mechanic
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I remember being in history class in school and learning about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. The Communist Revolution in Russia I remember being touched on but not to any great depth. I seem to remember the whole period of time between the end of WWII and the Reagan administration being absent from those lessons in school.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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The little I was taught in school about the Russian revolution were all romantic Doctor Zhivago images of oppressed workers rising up and demanding rights, etc, etc. The healthy blond worker then goes home with his beautiful red head wife and they have two children while toasting each other with vodka. In reality a whole lot o' killing was going on.
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SSgt Ryan Sylvester
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It's actually an honest-to-dog life lesson taught by Star Trek. "What the hell are you talking about, Sillyvester?! There was no comparison of Communism and Nazism in Star Trek." Actually, there was. "Patterns of Force" analyzed a planetary society that was crafted into the image of Nazi Germany. At first, this benevolent turn allowed a once struggling culture to prosper... but soon, they fell into the same pattern as the 3d Reich (hence, the episode name). The totalitarian government model was condemned as totally unable to be controlled or used for good, because of the inherent nature of man combined with the absolute authority of that system of government.

Meanwhile, there's a Russian on the Enterprise. At the height of the Cold War.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
PO3 Steven Sherrill
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Interesting point of view SSgt Ryan Sylvester
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SSgt Ryan Sylvester
SSgt Ryan Sylvester
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PO3 Steven Sherrill - It just goes to show that, even during the Cold War, there was always that view that we could be friends with the Soviet Union. That there was enough commonality between the US and the USSR that we could eventually set aside our differences and, not only coexist, but cooperate. It certainly was a far cry from the view of the Nazi Party.

Of course, Star Trek was sort of founded on the ideology of Socialism, when the betterment of humanity and of self outstripped the need for asset accumulation. Part of that may have to do with limited space on a ship to store said assets... but I'm just spitballing that one.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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SSgt Ryan Sylvester - Also remember that prior to the mass declassifications in 73-ish/74-ish, a lot of the atrocities and waste were unknown. Russia "won" the Battle Of Berlin and that's all we needed to know. "One of our allies beat the Germans." Only after declassing did we find out that they deliberately killed several hundred thousand of their own men in a rush to be the first in to the city. After the declass, we'd find out other stuff as well. Shortly after that, you'll notice attitudes turn and by 1980, we're referring to them as the evil empire.
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LTC David Brown
LTC David Brown
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Actually Stalin killed potential threats in other countries, Raul Wallenberg was one of note. The Polish Army officer massacre at Katyn was another.
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