Posted on Jun 17, 2024
Why student loan forgiveness sparks anger: A philosopher, attorney general, sociologist and...
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Maybe the question should be, why aren't some people upset about the loan forgiveness program? I had to get a student loan, my wife had to get one, both of us worked harder knowing WE agreed to pay it back. Graduating was the only option for us. Subsequently, we also applied the degrees toward our current employment, and each has resulted in our success. Why? Because we didn't go to college to screw around, to figure out if it's for us, or to waste our time. I would argue that most people who are hoping to get their loans forgiven probably didn't take it all seriously in the first place. That's not my problem, nor should it be. Not only did we pay off our student loans, but we also pay a substantial amount into taxes, which under Biden's plan allows it to go to waste through loan forgiveness. That without even implementing better programs to discourage irresponsible people from taking the loans in the first place. It's not just a fairness issue, people are abusing the system.
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For me the argument isn't about fairness of me having to pay mine back versus them. That is a Sunk Cost Fallacy. That money is gone never to be returned. I did my part and took personal responsibility for my debts.
For me it is all about personal responsibility. It is about owning your debts and accepting your role in paying someone else back. If one takes out a mortgage and then defaults on the loan they repo it...same for a car, lawnmower, furniture, or a home improvement loan. When you take out a loan they ask for collateral. Student loans should come with a catch as well other than wage garnishment. I believe that if the government is going to use taxpayer dollars to bail them out then they owe the government something...military service, service in an NGO, or in civil service for a minimum commitment. That way the government is getting something back. My daughter is a nurse. She took out student loans to finish up her education for the last year. She decided to work in a rural area needing nurses and they paid back her student loans. Even our service academies require a commitment once commissioned. If for some reason they bail or get our prior to their commitment they are required to pay it back. To me it is personal responsibility. I also think that graduates these days are looking to move into a house like mom and dad have and drive the cars that mom and dad are driving right out of college and that isn't the case. There was one case I read about not too long ago about that a lawyer who is practicing making well into the 6 figures was upset that their student loans didn't get paid out by the government. They bought a 500K home and were driving a BMW and were upset they had to pay it back. That is just not right. You borrow from someone you pay them back ...real simple concept but folks are making it hard.
SFC Bernard Walko Lt Col Charlie Brown LTC Trent Klug CMSgt Marcus Falleaf Cpl Vic Burk MSgt James Parker SMSgt Lawrence McCarter CMSgt (Join to see) Sgt (Join to see) PO1 H Gene Lawrence LTC David Brown SSG Paul Endes LTC Trent Klug Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
For me it is all about personal responsibility. It is about owning your debts and accepting your role in paying someone else back. If one takes out a mortgage and then defaults on the loan they repo it...same for a car, lawnmower, furniture, or a home improvement loan. When you take out a loan they ask for collateral. Student loans should come with a catch as well other than wage garnishment. I believe that if the government is going to use taxpayer dollars to bail them out then they owe the government something...military service, service in an NGO, or in civil service for a minimum commitment. That way the government is getting something back. My daughter is a nurse. She took out student loans to finish up her education for the last year. She decided to work in a rural area needing nurses and they paid back her student loans. Even our service academies require a commitment once commissioned. If for some reason they bail or get our prior to their commitment they are required to pay it back. To me it is personal responsibility. I also think that graduates these days are looking to move into a house like mom and dad have and drive the cars that mom and dad are driving right out of college and that isn't the case. There was one case I read about not too long ago about that a lawyer who is practicing making well into the 6 figures was upset that their student loans didn't get paid out by the government. They bought a 500K home and were driving a BMW and were upset they had to pay it back. That is just not right. You borrow from someone you pay them back ...real simple concept but folks are making it hard.
SFC Bernard Walko Lt Col Charlie Brown LTC Trent Klug CMSgt Marcus Falleaf Cpl Vic Burk MSgt James Parker SMSgt Lawrence McCarter CMSgt (Join to see) Sgt (Join to see) PO1 H Gene Lawrence LTC David Brown SSG Paul Endes LTC Trent Klug Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
While I realize life isn't fair and nor should we expect it to be, I still look at that factor. I am all about addressing issues for folks that simply made an unintentional bad choice and/or just encountered unfortunate events, but many of the people Biden want's to forgive can and should repay that loan. Sounds to me like an opportunity for the new IRS agents to take on.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin - Allowing Discharge in Bankruptcy does that. but the other part has to be the death of Federal Student Loans. It's the single element driving up education cost AND financing so many useless degrees in the Humanities that leave you qualified to be a barista a Starbucks.
My parents and I paid for my college out of pocket. I was gripping that Out of State tuition jumped to almost $600 a semester in 1979. Today it's $16,703. Almost 28 times the 1979 rate. During the same time period, Median personal income went from $25,380, today it's $40,460. How that is justified is beyond me.
My parents and I paid for my college out of pocket. I was gripping that Out of State tuition jumped to almost $600 a semester in 1979. Today it's $16,703. Almost 28 times the 1979 rate. During the same time period, Median personal income went from $25,380, today it's $40,460. How that is justified is beyond me.
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Cpl Vic Burk
CPT Lawrence Cable - College tuition rates jumped at a rapid rate due to the ease of getting student loans. Universities took advantage of this and skyjacked the cost per credit hour to cash in on this huge influx of available money (in my opinion).
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Cpl Vic Burk and expanded degree program, add "schools", which requires a dean. Oddly enough, professors pay didn't increase at the same rate.
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The answer has always been simple, but the banks and universities have too much invested to let a real solution happen.
The real solution is to eliminate the federal and private student loan system and then allow the student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy if they couldn't afford to pay it. I would suggest reneging on the guarantee too.
The real solution is to eliminate the federal and private student loan system and then allow the student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy if they couldn't afford to pay it. I would suggest reneging on the guarantee too.
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