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You mean the weak minded individuals the military coddles to these days continue to have weak minds and an inflated sense of what the world owes them?!? Say it ain't so.
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I can see your point MSG (Join to see), but I believe that the few instances or events of snowflakes and such that we pull from and share, is a generalization and unfair to the new recruits. I haven't seen many, if any, of these soldiers that we need to baby or coddle. Speak carefully around for fear of upsetting them, they can't handle the stress of training so how can they handle war. Or coming home after having to make decisions if not directly ending a life but indirectly. Is it their fault they are weak-minded as you say? Or are we to blame. We have a certain mentality we wish to maintain and force. Gone are the days of a boot to the chest. Gone are the days of also segregation. Both of which (one severely more than the other) we dont need in this day. Cultures evolve and adapt. Our society aids in the creation, so does our upbringing. Farms are gone, kids having to work at young ages isn't a common thing anymore. These new soldiers including myself had our struggles and our issues. We still joined. We still wear the gear and learn to survive and to kill. Also to learn far more MOS positions than ever.
Lengthy and maybe lost anyone at this point, but the world changes. You and I may be snowflakes in the eyes of the greatest generation. My point is that we ought not to generalize and call them soldiers weak-minded. They had an entirely different upbringing than those 20-40 years ago. Maybe we should think of what life was like then that made us, and what life is like now to make them. (And not just coddling millenial generalizations again)
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SSG(P) (Join to see) you're right, society has changed. We are definitely in the good times create weak men phase if the cycle. Doesnt mean the military has to pander to it. How many posts on this website are Soldiers trying to figure out away around something their chain of command told them, or bitching about having to eat MREs for more than a two week field problem. Society has gotten weak and the military with it. The next major war we will lose many lives before we self correct.
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MSG (Join to see) great point MSG. I can recall being on a CSTX for just over 3 weeks and too many soldiers.....using classy words, "complaining" on their first MRE. Or they have to pick through four boxes to find the Tuna, or Beef Patty. Or worse, "can I go to the PX?" I think it's worse because we see our senior leadership say "No PX runs at all!" And where do they go. For cases of soda and chips and pizza. So the other NCOs decide they can, then junior troops whine until they can. We create the issue and habit (isolated I'm sure, some just dont care to actually try). The few of us who give a damn and can survive eating only heater meals, cold coffee and chewing gum have to hear these complaints and wonder, could they survive if they actually deployed.
I agree as well with your last statement. It's sad, but we'll lose troops from poor performance and negligence and also back home when they cannot cope. So its on us to ensure they will survive there and back home.
I always tell my squad that I go to the field expecting tents, MREs and limited water. So I can be grateful to see barracks, hot meals and enough water to not have to ration (most of my ATs we go black on food AND water.....go figure).
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SSG (Join to see) because we as a society are weak minded and society sets the culture, even the sub culture in the military.
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Based on my research of combat trauma going back to WW TWO, Korea, and Vietnam, many who experience multiple combat excursions will naturally struggle w/ ghosts of those who were killed, and those they killed. Combat skills do not transfer to civilian life. When I served from 1969 to 1973 my ER medical experiences transferred very well and via the GI Bill I became a clinical psychologist.

Keep in mind that those who served in WW TWO are the worlds greatest generation. Korea is the forgotten conflict, Vietnam is the most despised, detested, and protested conflict on record, and the post 911 conflicts are invisible.
I completely understand how many experience adjustment issues having had to repeated encounters w/ The Dark Beast. I composed several articles in this regard.
If anyone is interested in reading them contact me " [login to see] " or " [login to see] ".
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SSG Michael Noll
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Thanks for the share brother
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