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Will the US Ever Give Up Guantanamo Bay? via 24/7 WallSt
MY SAY: On balance, fair and accurate, with a few caveats:
1) Unlawful combatant Islamists held at the US military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (just like lawful combatant POWs), may be held without charge or trial, according to the Geneva Conventions and Law of War, "until the end of hostilities."
2) The photograph showing detainees in orange jumpsuits, sensory deprivation and kneeling in a gravel holding area needs explanation. Although the description of the high level of care was accurate, this photo contradicts reality, in that this was an in-processing holding area used only until all the detainees in it were processed; so from five to forty-five minutes or so. Detainees were processed one at a time. The impression this photo gives is that this was how the detainees spent their entire day or even part of it, which was not the case. Also, this photo is from January 2002. By April 2002, the whole process was changed, and this photo, from Camp X-Ray, a spartan standing relic from the 1990's Haitian and Cuban boat crises, was only a brief, temporary solution.
3) As to the value of the base and whether or not the US should retain it, I think it is too valuable a strategic power projection platform and logistics base to surrender it to the communists of Cuba. In fact, how about we make Cuba the 51st state?
MY SAY: On balance, fair and accurate, with a few caveats:
1) Unlawful combatant Islamists held at the US military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (just like lawful combatant POWs), may be held without charge or trial, according to the Geneva Conventions and Law of War, "until the end of hostilities."
2) The photograph showing detainees in orange jumpsuits, sensory deprivation and kneeling in a gravel holding area needs explanation. Although the description of the high level of care was accurate, this photo contradicts reality, in that this was an in-processing holding area used only until all the detainees in it were processed; so from five to forty-five minutes or so. Detainees were processed one at a time. The impression this photo gives is that this was how the detainees spent their entire day or even part of it, which was not the case. Also, this photo is from January 2002. By April 2002, the whole process was changed, and this photo, from Camp X-Ray, a spartan standing relic from the 1990's Haitian and Cuban boat crises, was only a brief, temporary solution.
3) As to the value of the base and whether or not the US should retain it, I think it is too valuable a strategic power projection platform and logistics base to surrender it to the communists of Cuba. In fact, how about we make Cuba the 51st state?
Will the US Ever Give Up Guantanamo Bay?
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Guantanamo Bay
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I do not want these people in the US in the prison system, nor should they be released. Guantanamo is the only reasonable solution besides frontal lobotomy
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1. "Guantanamo is a symbol of lawlessness. It was chosen as a detention site because it is located offshore, on foreign territory, and the Bush Administration therefore believed it was safely beyond the jurisdiction of any court. It was, as a British court pointed out in a 2002 decision, a "legal black hole.""
2. "Detainees at Guantanamo have been arbitrarily detained, physically abused, and even tortured. They have spent years without any fair legal process, held on the basis of secret evidence."
3. "Guantanamo has harmed the fight against terrorism. It has undermined international cooperation and alienated Muslim communities."
4. "The moral authority of the United States has been severely compromised by Guantanamo's existence, with disastrous results for the U.S. government's ability to promote human rights abroad."
https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/11/22/four-good-reasons-why-guantanamo-should-be-closed
Guantanamo hasn't done anything beneficial in fighting terrorism. Torture doesn't work - and the majority of those incarcerate there have nothing to do with terror groups. Innocent people who have been denied rights - and if that's considered US soil they DO have rights under the Constitution. It applies to anyone on US soil. Even if it doesn't, the US can't pretend to have a moral high ground and then operate this prison.
It really seems like a waste of time, money and resources but the government loves to do that...like the "war" on drugs.
2. "Detainees at Guantanamo have been arbitrarily detained, physically abused, and even tortured. They have spent years without any fair legal process, held on the basis of secret evidence."
3. "Guantanamo has harmed the fight against terrorism. It has undermined international cooperation and alienated Muslim communities."
4. "The moral authority of the United States has been severely compromised by Guantanamo's existence, with disastrous results for the U.S. government's ability to promote human rights abroad."
https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/11/22/four-good-reasons-why-guantanamo-should-be-closed
Guantanamo hasn't done anything beneficial in fighting terrorism. Torture doesn't work - and the majority of those incarcerate there have nothing to do with terror groups. Innocent people who have been denied rights - and if that's considered US soil they DO have rights under the Constitution. It applies to anyone on US soil. Even if it doesn't, the US can't pretend to have a moral high ground and then operate this prison.
It really seems like a waste of time, money and resources but the government loves to do that...like the "war" on drugs.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
No detainee (unlawful combatant Islamists who want to kill us) have any rights under the Constitution. The Supreme Court ruled they can petition for habeas corpus, but have only granted one such petition, and then revoked it. Geneva Conventions afford ZERO rights or privileges to unlawful combatants, and if they were lawful combatant POWs they could still be held without charge or trail "until the end of hostilities." Yet, even with all of that, nearly all who have ever been held there have been RELEASED, and 30% are recidivists (that we know or suspect). What about the other 70% we don't know about? The Global War on Terror is ongoing. It's as if you were arguing for the jailer in a game of capture the flag to release the caught enemy before the game is over. No way to win!
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The Prison is just a small corner of the base. The question should be can the Navy do without Guantanamo? A lot more stuff goes on there besides a dozen or so terrorist.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Having spent time at HQ USSOUTHCOM (grew up in the region and spent a 3 year tour at the Miami location during my career), yes, there are plenty of other things they do there other than manage the prison.
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