Posted on Aug 8, 2021
'You either went to war or you didn't' — How deployments divide the vet community
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I completely understand the authors feelings, and in no way wish to invalidate them. I have heard similar stories many times - and felt similar feelings each and every time I was on Rear-D. In September of 2001, I was an Infantry Squad leader in the 10th Mountain Division. I watched as my unit, *my* troops, the ones I had trained with, the ones I had led, went off to war without me, because I had a class seat in November - and the bastards at HRC wouldn't let me cancel.
I got my chance - I deployed thrice to Iraq and once to Afghanistan. Even doing a full 20 and retiring, I still have more combat stripes than service stripes. And even after that, as I was on Rear-D for my unit's deployment shortly before I retired, I still felt a bit of what the author is talking about. I understand his thoughts and feelings, they are real, and they are legitimate.
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In my experience, those thoughts and feelings are almost entirely self-imposed. Those of us "in the club" very rarely look down on those who are "not in the club." As the author points out at the beginning, it is almost entirely luck of the draw. Being in the right place (or wrong place, depending on how you look at it) at the right time. We know that - for the most part - those that did not deploy were READY TO if and when they were called upon.
If you are in the "not in the club" group, please know that I understand how you feel. But please also understand that most of us who *are* "in the club" hold absolutely nothing against you.
I got my chance - I deployed thrice to Iraq and once to Afghanistan. Even doing a full 20 and retiring, I still have more combat stripes than service stripes. And even after that, as I was on Rear-D for my unit's deployment shortly before I retired, I still felt a bit of what the author is talking about. I understand his thoughts and feelings, they are real, and they are legitimate.
BUT....
In my experience, those thoughts and feelings are almost entirely self-imposed. Those of us "in the club" very rarely look down on those who are "not in the club." As the author points out at the beginning, it is almost entirely luck of the draw. Being in the right place (or wrong place, depending on how you look at it) at the right time. We know that - for the most part - those that did not deploy were READY TO if and when they were called upon.
If you are in the "not in the club" group, please know that I understand how you feel. But please also understand that most of us who *are* "in the club" hold absolutely nothing against you.
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LTC Eric Udouj
Think wee all been there. My first experience of it was when my BN went to Bosnia - after I developed an coordinated the train up -- and was told that as an AGR - if my CDR took me - there would be not replacement. And then they did not pull our missions - so a CO plus did a BN;s deployments in SOUTHCOM - and I spent most of my time in Panama or in Honduras doing mission planning meetings. Group was not happy I was TDY all the time -- but such is life! :) I was training up a BN for Afghanistan and a BN for Iraq when I got 10 day notice I was deploying - and not with the forces I was getting ready.... such was the Surge.
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I really don’t care how others view me, I sat down what I was doing and went when called to active duty. I filled a need ithe military. When people look at their ideal and realty things fen don’t mesh. I think about this guy, Kifer. He wanted to go ver seas and fight in WW II. Instead he spent WWII teaching sailors how to survive when their ship sank. I am sure there are many sailors who returned home alive who are greatful to him! I am sure there are many families who are greatful for the consideration they were shown by the Benjamin Able who penned the article. Another story along the same lines is “ who packed your parachute.” . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Kiefer
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Yeah you joined the military but you didn't complete basic.
Yeah you completed basic but you weren't infantry
Yeah you were infantry but you didn't deploy
Yeah you deployed but you were never in combat
Yeah you were in combat but you weren't in REAL combat.
I've always found it weird that there are vets (and even active duty) who would rather separate themselves then find common ground. I assume these are those people who haven't done much else with their lives outside of the military because thats really the only place it really matters
Yeah you completed basic but you weren't infantry
Yeah you were infantry but you didn't deploy
Yeah you deployed but you were never in combat
Yeah you were in combat but you weren't in REAL combat.
I've always found it weird that there are vets (and even active duty) who would rather separate themselves then find common ground. I assume these are those people who haven't done much else with their lives outside of the military because thats really the only place it really matters
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
The Common bond for Me is the fact You served in a branch of the US Armed Forces and performed whatever duties You were assigned to the best of You abilities and knew what teamwork means.
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SGT Ronald Audas
Many Someone's made sure I had a firearm,ammo ,food,flack jacket,steel pot,and that special someone that made sure,if l made it,I could go home when my time was up . You get the idea.When you become part of a team,that team stays together.Even if they man a recruiting office in a nice town.Much respect to all commentators.
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