2nd Amendment
2nd Amendment
Posted on Oct 11, 2015
Does the Second Amendment need to be Amended?
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There's been a lot of debate about firearms and firearm ownership recently. I've been a part of a lot of it. I think one thing that is achingly necessary is some close reading of the Second Amendment itself. I slapped together a powerpoint for my sister a few years ago on the topic, and will post the text here with the title slide as an image (because it outlines the argument.)
2. Inherent Right to Self Defense
All persons entitled to defend their lives
A threat to one’s life can only be answered with deadly force
Not granted by society, intrinsic to life
Denial of this is endorsement of cannibalism
Granted by God or by nature
Not everyone believes in god
Not everyone can follow this level of philosophy
3. Constitutional Protection
Is highest law of the land
Any law lower that contradicts is null
Many laws already contradict constitution and should be held null but are not
Committing some wrongs do not mean we need to commit more
Only entity Officers of US swear to support and defend
Supreme Court interprets BUT
Has ruled badly in past i.e. Dred Scott
Usually rules against individual liberty
4. Original Intent
Only way to address constitution
Interpreting as we please renders document meaningless
Must obey as written, guided by intent
If desired can AMMEND text
5. Original Intent: Text Analysis
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Assisted by Webster’s dictionary 1828. Constitution drafted 1789 Most founders knew Noah Webster (he edited some Federalist papers), he likely represented their ideas of words, Oxford English Dictionary also an option, but requires pay access.
Well regulated: “Adjusted by rule, method or forms; put in good order” disciplined, capable, well-drilled, well-trained, able
Militia: “The militia of a country are the able bodied men organized into companies, regiments and brigades, with officers of all grades, and required by law to attend military exercises on certain days only, but at other times left to pursue their usual occupations” men between ages of 15 and 45 able to bear arms, who drill and are available for call-up
Necessary: “1. That must be; that cannot be otherwise; indispensably requisite. It is necessary that every effect should have a cause. 3. Unavoidable; as a necessary inference or consequence from facts or arguments.”
Free: 2. In government, not enslaved; not in a state of vassalage or dependence; subject only to fixed laws, made by consent, and to a regular administration of such laws; not subject to the arbitrary will of a sovereign or lord; as a free state, nation or people. The opposite of how the colonists felt themselves under Britain.
State: 5. A political body, or body politic; the whole body of people united under one government, whatever may be the form of the government. All people united under government.
Right: “10. Just claim; immunity; privilege. All men have a right to the secure enjoyment of life, personal safety, liberty and property. We deem the right of trial by jury invaluable, particularly in the case of crimes. Rights are natural, civil, political, religious, personal, and public. 11. Authority; legal power. We have no right to disturb others in the enjoyment of their religious opinions.” Not subject to restriction.
People: “1. The body of persons who compose a community, town, city or nation.” All people, not necessarily united in government.
Keep: “1. To hold; to retain in one's power or possession; not to lose or part with; as, to keep a house or a farm; to keep any thing in the memory, mind or heart. 2. To have in custody for security or preservation.” To possess under your own power.
Bear: 2. To carry; to convey; to support and remove from place to place; as, "they bear him upon the shoulder;", "the eagle beareth them on her wings.“12. To possess and use as power; to exercise; as, to bear sway.” Carry anywhere.
Arms: “1. Weapons of offense, or armor for defense and protection of the body. Sire arms, are such as may be charged with powder, as cannon, muskets, mortars, &c. A stand of arms consists of a musket, bayonet, cartridge-box and belt, with a sword. But for common soldiers a sword is not necessary.” Not Small Arms, a Stand of Arms, no “except sire arms or crew-served weapons or cannon”.
Shall not be: not may not or maybe not, or might be, or could be
infringed: “Broken; violated; transgresses.”
6. Constitutional Protection: Key Words
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Words were chosen carefully.
It is the people, not the state, states or militia whose right shall not to be infringed.
The right is to keep and bear arms, not to access, practice or only keep or only bear.
Arms are not small arms, are not a specific type of arms, there is no prohibition on types arms, understanding of larger weapons with high lethality (mortars and cannon) was widespread
7. Defend Self From Government
Founders had observed war of self defense against government
Understood risk of tyrannical government and wanted to guarantee balance of power
Jefferson even endorsed violent clashes
Modern militias CAN challenge national forces
Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine
Numerical, terrain advantages, capture of equipment and defection from government forces quickly even odds.
8. Defend Self From Government
Governments are scary
They kill more people than criminals BY FAR
In the 20th century most countries herded citizens into concentration camps at one point or another (US to Japanese)
It is hard to herd armed people into camps
Nazi Gun Control legislation enabled their genocides (JPFO studies on this-also link US Gun Control Act of 1968 to the Nazi text directly)
Armed Jews are scarier than disarmed Jews: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising
9. Defend Self From Government
The first gun control law National Firearms Act of 1934 was wrought with problems
Allegedly a revenue raising measure, not a ban
State’s case claimed short barreled shotguns in specific were not militia weapons as not used by any military (falsely)
Ignored that NFA 1934 also taxed Machine Guns, definitely used by Militaries
No defense counsel or brief submitted to Supreme Court
Very tricky, specific, semi-dishonest argument involving serial numbers won case
Even the A-USA in the first gun case before the court acknowledged the 2nd amendment is intended to protect military style weapons.
Registration leads to confiscation, there has been no example of national registration schemes not followed by confiscation of some or all registered weapons
10. Defend Self From Government
Chemical Biological Radiological and Nuclear Weapons, Autonomous Weapons?
These are scary
People probably should not have them
Maybe we need a constitutional amendment
I would prefer governments not have them either, they are the only ones proven to have used them before, and will likely again.
11. Defend Self From Criminals
It is certain that in addition to protection from government, people are entitled to protect themselves from violence by criminals
This derives from the natural right to self defense
Founders understood the need, living before an era of police, and it is acceptable to argue this as a reason AFTER arguing protection for government (same with hunting)
Police cannot respond fast enough to save lives, just investigate after
Police cannot have legal obligation to protect people’s lives (case law has held this)
12. Defend Self From Criminals
Criminals do not obey laws-hence they are criminals
They will not obey gun laws
Only law abiding citizens will
Ordering the law abiding to disarm creates easy victims: “victim disarmament”
Any area the law abiding citizen’s right to bear arms is infringed will become a target for a criminal: ALL of the recent mass shootings occurred in legal (albeit unconstitutional) ‘gun-free’ zones
Lawful gun owners OFTEN end shootings with minimal or NO casualties.
Not being armed equally to criminals means the law abiding fight at disadvantage
Reload times kill (must have full capacity mags)
Don’t require the law abiding to bring a knife to a gun fight or a pistol to a rifle fight, or fists to an anything fight
13. Bad Arguments
It is bad to end the debate with god or nature and not include the constitution, most people cant handle esoteric, or belief arguments. This argument shuts down debate.
It is bad to interpret the constitution however we please, this renders it useless. This argument shuts down the debate.
It is bad to begin the argument of defense of self from government but not follow it all the way through its logical progression, that all existing gun control law is null as unconstitutional. This surrenders logical consistency and truth.
It is bad to begin to argue pragmatics on crime and self protection without including first protection from government, it is not the intent of the amendment.
It is wrong to even allow the opponents to use the phrases (let alone use them ourselves) ‘hunting and sporting’ these are not the intent of the amendment, do not derive from the right to self defense, and most importantly come from GCA 1968 which came from Nazi Gun Control laws
14. Definitions (Military not Legal)
Vehicles usually require a crew to employ and always require a large crew to maintain
E.G. Tanks, Helicopters, Jets, Armored Cars
Crew Served Weapons (CSW) require 2 or more people to employ
Weapons:
Cannon: CSW Large gun 40mm or larger, usually direct fire (flat trajectory)
Howitzer: CSW Large Indirect fire cannon
Mortar: CSW High angle indirect fire weapon
Grenade launcher: gun that fires grenades usually 37 mm or larger (close range indirect fire)
Machine Gun: CSW (usually) Often Belt Fed Gun that fires as long as the trigger is depressed, Heavy is .50cal Medium is .308cal and light .223 Cal (or near these calibers in soviet arms)
Sniper/Special purpose scoped rifle: CSW (when properly used) Long range (1000+ yd) rifle with a scope usually .308 cal or above
Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR): Medium Range (500-800 yds) rifle with a scope, usually .308 cal
Battle Rifle: Medium Range rifle (0-500 yds)
Assault rifle: Smaller caliber rifle for use by assault force, not suppression, light, close-range (0-300)
Carbine: Smaller caliber or powder compromise between a rifle and a submachine gun used for people not expected to be in combat or who MUST have light weight (paratroopers etc.) (0-300)
Submachine Gun: SMG small carbine that shoots a pistol caliber to limit recoil used for very close work that requires fast fires close assault, room clearing (0-100 yds)
Shotgun: Large bore gun for close range work can be automatic, semi-automatic or pump, usually fed fro m a tubular internal magazine newer models include detachable (0-100 yds)
Machine Pistol: An SMG, or a small SMG that looks like a pistol
Pistol: Semi automatic , automatic , or revolving chambered gun operable with one hand with much less powder than even a carbine round (often in calibers .45 and below)
Parts
Clip: a stripper clip has a number of rounds held together on a piece of metal for pushing into the gun rapidly, there they are stored in an internal magazine, “stripper” clips push the rounds off and into the magazine “en bloc” clips go into the guns magazine themselves
Magazine: Where rounds are stored before firing , internal magazines are rare anymore, much more common are detachable magazines often abbreviated “mags” the only military reason for limiting capacity is weight and unwieldy designs, this usually results in 20 rounds for .308, 30 for .223 and around 8-20 for pistols based on caliber size
It has become a legal debate since someone arbitrarily picked “10” as a magazine capacity limit in California, anti gunners say “high capacity” pro gun folk say “full capacity” or just “mag”
Belt: Disintegrating or reloaded (older or soviet) belts fire all rounds linked together fed from a bag or a box. Machineguns use this
Ammunition Round (Ammo, round or Cartridge) the complete package a gun fires (powder, bullet, casing, primer)
Bullet: Projectile that flies from a gun usually smaller and non-explosive
Casing: the brass that encases the powder, crimps to the bullet and holds the primer, ejects from gun after firing
Round: Individual unit of complete ammunition, includes bullet, casing, powder and primer
Shell: Canon or Howitzer bullet OR shotgun complete usually with plastic casing
Grenade: small explosive, can be designed to be thrown (hand-grenade) or fired from a launcher (it can only be either-or)
Measurements:
Caliber: imperial measures from groove to groove in hundredths of an inch diameter ex. .308
MM: metric measurements of lands to lands in mm, usually followed by a metric measurement of the length of the cartridge ex. 7.62x51
15. Rapid responses to opponents
Mass killings:
Not statistically rising or falling
Occur with similar volume and intensity per capita in nations with intense arms control (wiki rampage killings)
Highest casualty US school killing was in the 1920s, used explosives
Legally obtained automatic weapons have been used in 2 crimes in US history, one by a cop
Cops commit more illegal gun violence than concealed carry permit holders
Why don’t cops get mugged?
Guns are equalizers: 225lb 6’2 man vs 5’9 120lb woman: the outcome only changes when she has a gun
16. Pro Gun Organizations (Biased list)
Revolutionary War Veterans of America
Teach the historical connection between guns and the revolution, skills necessary to shoot
“no politics after 1776”
Gun Owners of America
Second biggest Pro gun lobby, second highest profile, very libertarian
“The only no-compromise gun lobby In Washington” –Ron Paul
National Association for Gun Rights
Rocky Mountain roots, anti-UN streak
“No compromise” est. 2000
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
Scholarship on gun control and genocide, especially Nazism
“America’s most Aggressive Defender of Firearms Ownership”
Citizens for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Strong critic of Obama Policies, especially fast and furious
“The Common Sense Gun Lobby”
National Rifle Association
The big dog, huge money (even its opponents admit the bulk of this comes from individual gun owners)
More willing to compromise than the above, but being pushed away from compromise by the above
Founded by Union Army Officers to ensure marksmanship for future soldiers
Independent Firearms Owners Association
Enforce the laws we have now, don’t persecute gun owners, NRA has gone too conservative because of the above
“Effective Solutions for Complex Criminal Justice Problems”
Libertarians:
Reason.com (good youtube video, some articles)
Cato Institute
2. Inherent Right to Self Defense
All persons entitled to defend their lives
A threat to one’s life can only be answered with deadly force
Not granted by society, intrinsic to life
Denial of this is endorsement of cannibalism
Granted by God or by nature
Not everyone believes in god
Not everyone can follow this level of philosophy
3. Constitutional Protection
Is highest law of the land
Any law lower that contradicts is null
Many laws already contradict constitution and should be held null but are not
Committing some wrongs do not mean we need to commit more
Only entity Officers of US swear to support and defend
Supreme Court interprets BUT
Has ruled badly in past i.e. Dred Scott
Usually rules against individual liberty
4. Original Intent
Only way to address constitution
Interpreting as we please renders document meaningless
Must obey as written, guided by intent
If desired can AMMEND text
5. Original Intent: Text Analysis
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Assisted by Webster’s dictionary 1828. Constitution drafted 1789 Most founders knew Noah Webster (he edited some Federalist papers), he likely represented their ideas of words, Oxford English Dictionary also an option, but requires pay access.
Well regulated: “Adjusted by rule, method or forms; put in good order” disciplined, capable, well-drilled, well-trained, able
Militia: “The militia of a country are the able bodied men organized into companies, regiments and brigades, with officers of all grades, and required by law to attend military exercises on certain days only, but at other times left to pursue their usual occupations” men between ages of 15 and 45 able to bear arms, who drill and are available for call-up
Necessary: “1. That must be; that cannot be otherwise; indispensably requisite. It is necessary that every effect should have a cause. 3. Unavoidable; as a necessary inference or consequence from facts or arguments.”
Free: 2. In government, not enslaved; not in a state of vassalage or dependence; subject only to fixed laws, made by consent, and to a regular administration of such laws; not subject to the arbitrary will of a sovereign or lord; as a free state, nation or people. The opposite of how the colonists felt themselves under Britain.
State: 5. A political body, or body politic; the whole body of people united under one government, whatever may be the form of the government. All people united under government.
Right: “10. Just claim; immunity; privilege. All men have a right to the secure enjoyment of life, personal safety, liberty and property. We deem the right of trial by jury invaluable, particularly in the case of crimes. Rights are natural, civil, political, religious, personal, and public. 11. Authority; legal power. We have no right to disturb others in the enjoyment of their religious opinions.” Not subject to restriction.
People: “1. The body of persons who compose a community, town, city or nation.” All people, not necessarily united in government.
Keep: “1. To hold; to retain in one's power or possession; not to lose or part with; as, to keep a house or a farm; to keep any thing in the memory, mind or heart. 2. To have in custody for security or preservation.” To possess under your own power.
Bear: 2. To carry; to convey; to support and remove from place to place; as, "they bear him upon the shoulder;", "the eagle beareth them on her wings.“12. To possess and use as power; to exercise; as, to bear sway.” Carry anywhere.
Arms: “1. Weapons of offense, or armor for defense and protection of the body. Sire arms, are such as may be charged with powder, as cannon, muskets, mortars, &c. A stand of arms consists of a musket, bayonet, cartridge-box and belt, with a sword. But for common soldiers a sword is not necessary.” Not Small Arms, a Stand of Arms, no “except sire arms or crew-served weapons or cannon”.
Shall not be: not may not or maybe not, or might be, or could be
infringed: “Broken; violated; transgresses.”
6. Constitutional Protection: Key Words
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Words were chosen carefully.
It is the people, not the state, states or militia whose right shall not to be infringed.
The right is to keep and bear arms, not to access, practice or only keep or only bear.
Arms are not small arms, are not a specific type of arms, there is no prohibition on types arms, understanding of larger weapons with high lethality (mortars and cannon) was widespread
7. Defend Self From Government
Founders had observed war of self defense against government
Understood risk of tyrannical government and wanted to guarantee balance of power
Jefferson even endorsed violent clashes
Modern militias CAN challenge national forces
Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine
Numerical, terrain advantages, capture of equipment and defection from government forces quickly even odds.
8. Defend Self From Government
Governments are scary
They kill more people than criminals BY FAR
In the 20th century most countries herded citizens into concentration camps at one point or another (US to Japanese)
It is hard to herd armed people into camps
Nazi Gun Control legislation enabled their genocides (JPFO studies on this-also link US Gun Control Act of 1968 to the Nazi text directly)
Armed Jews are scarier than disarmed Jews: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising
9. Defend Self From Government
The first gun control law National Firearms Act of 1934 was wrought with problems
Allegedly a revenue raising measure, not a ban
State’s case claimed short barreled shotguns in specific were not militia weapons as not used by any military (falsely)
Ignored that NFA 1934 also taxed Machine Guns, definitely used by Militaries
No defense counsel or brief submitted to Supreme Court
Very tricky, specific, semi-dishonest argument involving serial numbers won case
Even the A-USA in the first gun case before the court acknowledged the 2nd amendment is intended to protect military style weapons.
Registration leads to confiscation, there has been no example of national registration schemes not followed by confiscation of some or all registered weapons
10. Defend Self From Government
Chemical Biological Radiological and Nuclear Weapons, Autonomous Weapons?
These are scary
People probably should not have them
Maybe we need a constitutional amendment
I would prefer governments not have them either, they are the only ones proven to have used them before, and will likely again.
11. Defend Self From Criminals
It is certain that in addition to protection from government, people are entitled to protect themselves from violence by criminals
This derives from the natural right to self defense
Founders understood the need, living before an era of police, and it is acceptable to argue this as a reason AFTER arguing protection for government (same with hunting)
Police cannot respond fast enough to save lives, just investigate after
Police cannot have legal obligation to protect people’s lives (case law has held this)
12. Defend Self From Criminals
Criminals do not obey laws-hence they are criminals
They will not obey gun laws
Only law abiding citizens will
Ordering the law abiding to disarm creates easy victims: “victim disarmament”
Any area the law abiding citizen’s right to bear arms is infringed will become a target for a criminal: ALL of the recent mass shootings occurred in legal (albeit unconstitutional) ‘gun-free’ zones
Lawful gun owners OFTEN end shootings with minimal or NO casualties.
Not being armed equally to criminals means the law abiding fight at disadvantage
Reload times kill (must have full capacity mags)
Don’t require the law abiding to bring a knife to a gun fight or a pistol to a rifle fight, or fists to an anything fight
13. Bad Arguments
It is bad to end the debate with god or nature and not include the constitution, most people cant handle esoteric, or belief arguments. This argument shuts down debate.
It is bad to interpret the constitution however we please, this renders it useless. This argument shuts down the debate.
It is bad to begin the argument of defense of self from government but not follow it all the way through its logical progression, that all existing gun control law is null as unconstitutional. This surrenders logical consistency and truth.
It is bad to begin to argue pragmatics on crime and self protection without including first protection from government, it is not the intent of the amendment.
It is wrong to even allow the opponents to use the phrases (let alone use them ourselves) ‘hunting and sporting’ these are not the intent of the amendment, do not derive from the right to self defense, and most importantly come from GCA 1968 which came from Nazi Gun Control laws
14. Definitions (Military not Legal)
Vehicles usually require a crew to employ and always require a large crew to maintain
E.G. Tanks, Helicopters, Jets, Armored Cars
Crew Served Weapons (CSW) require 2 or more people to employ
Weapons:
Cannon: CSW Large gun 40mm or larger, usually direct fire (flat trajectory)
Howitzer: CSW Large Indirect fire cannon
Mortar: CSW High angle indirect fire weapon
Grenade launcher: gun that fires grenades usually 37 mm or larger (close range indirect fire)
Machine Gun: CSW (usually) Often Belt Fed Gun that fires as long as the trigger is depressed, Heavy is .50cal Medium is .308cal and light .223 Cal (or near these calibers in soviet arms)
Sniper/Special purpose scoped rifle: CSW (when properly used) Long range (1000+ yd) rifle with a scope usually .308 cal or above
Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR): Medium Range (500-800 yds) rifle with a scope, usually .308 cal
Battle Rifle: Medium Range rifle (0-500 yds)
Assault rifle: Smaller caliber rifle for use by assault force, not suppression, light, close-range (0-300)
Carbine: Smaller caliber or powder compromise between a rifle and a submachine gun used for people not expected to be in combat or who MUST have light weight (paratroopers etc.) (0-300)
Submachine Gun: SMG small carbine that shoots a pistol caliber to limit recoil used for very close work that requires fast fires close assault, room clearing (0-100 yds)
Shotgun: Large bore gun for close range work can be automatic, semi-automatic or pump, usually fed fro m a tubular internal magazine newer models include detachable (0-100 yds)
Machine Pistol: An SMG, or a small SMG that looks like a pistol
Pistol: Semi automatic , automatic , or revolving chambered gun operable with one hand with much less powder than even a carbine round (often in calibers .45 and below)
Parts
Clip: a stripper clip has a number of rounds held together on a piece of metal for pushing into the gun rapidly, there they are stored in an internal magazine, “stripper” clips push the rounds off and into the magazine “en bloc” clips go into the guns magazine themselves
Magazine: Where rounds are stored before firing , internal magazines are rare anymore, much more common are detachable magazines often abbreviated “mags” the only military reason for limiting capacity is weight and unwieldy designs, this usually results in 20 rounds for .308, 30 for .223 and around 8-20 for pistols based on caliber size
It has become a legal debate since someone arbitrarily picked “10” as a magazine capacity limit in California, anti gunners say “high capacity” pro gun folk say “full capacity” or just “mag”
Belt: Disintegrating or reloaded (older or soviet) belts fire all rounds linked together fed from a bag or a box. Machineguns use this
Ammunition Round (Ammo, round or Cartridge) the complete package a gun fires (powder, bullet, casing, primer)
Bullet: Projectile that flies from a gun usually smaller and non-explosive
Casing: the brass that encases the powder, crimps to the bullet and holds the primer, ejects from gun after firing
Round: Individual unit of complete ammunition, includes bullet, casing, powder and primer
Shell: Canon or Howitzer bullet OR shotgun complete usually with plastic casing
Grenade: small explosive, can be designed to be thrown (hand-grenade) or fired from a launcher (it can only be either-or)
Measurements:
Caliber: imperial measures from groove to groove in hundredths of an inch diameter ex. .308
MM: metric measurements of lands to lands in mm, usually followed by a metric measurement of the length of the cartridge ex. 7.62x51
15. Rapid responses to opponents
Mass killings:
Not statistically rising or falling
Occur with similar volume and intensity per capita in nations with intense arms control (wiki rampage killings)
Highest casualty US school killing was in the 1920s, used explosives
Legally obtained automatic weapons have been used in 2 crimes in US history, one by a cop
Cops commit more illegal gun violence than concealed carry permit holders
Why don’t cops get mugged?
Guns are equalizers: 225lb 6’2 man vs 5’9 120lb woman: the outcome only changes when she has a gun
16. Pro Gun Organizations (Biased list)
Revolutionary War Veterans of America
Teach the historical connection between guns and the revolution, skills necessary to shoot
“no politics after 1776”
Gun Owners of America
Second biggest Pro gun lobby, second highest profile, very libertarian
“The only no-compromise gun lobby In Washington” –Ron Paul
National Association for Gun Rights
Rocky Mountain roots, anti-UN streak
“No compromise” est. 2000
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
Scholarship on gun control and genocide, especially Nazism
“America’s most Aggressive Defender of Firearms Ownership”
Citizens for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Strong critic of Obama Policies, especially fast and furious
“The Common Sense Gun Lobby”
National Rifle Association
The big dog, huge money (even its opponents admit the bulk of this comes from individual gun owners)
More willing to compromise than the above, but being pushed away from compromise by the above
Founded by Union Army Officers to ensure marksmanship for future soldiers
Independent Firearms Owners Association
Enforce the laws we have now, don’t persecute gun owners, NRA has gone too conservative because of the above
“Effective Solutions for Complex Criminal Justice Problems”
Libertarians:
Reason.com (good youtube video, some articles)
Cato Institute
Firearms and Guns
Shooting (Sport)
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SFC Byron Perry
A1C Jj Birchard - that meant at the time, in good working order. How can you have a militia in good working order with them having weapons?
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Sgt Mervyn Russell
It's the hearts of man that need to amended, not the 2nd amendment. Psamlms 10 ו [Waw]
10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;+
You will look at where they were,
And they will not be there.+
11 But the meek will possess the earth,+
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.+ This is a promise. from Jehovah God.
10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;+
You will look at where they were,
And they will not be there.+
11 But the meek will possess the earth,+
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.+ This is a promise. from Jehovah God.
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The Bill of Rights was intended to protect the citizens from a tyrannical government. The Second Amendment has this as its primary purpose, and was written in order to prevent the kind of usurpations the nation experienced experienced under British rule. Since human nature has not changed, this need has also not changed.
We see a lawless POTUS currently in office that writes or ignores laws at his personal whim, and feels unconstrained by our Constitution. This is EXACTLY the sort of abuse of coercive power by the government that our Constitution was designed to protect the people against.
This is not the time to limit or abolish the protections afforded us by the Second Amendment - or any of the others in our Bill of Rights.
We see a lawless POTUS currently in office that writes or ignores laws at his personal whim, and feels unconstrained by our Constitution. This is EXACTLY the sort of abuse of coercive power by the government that our Constitution was designed to protect the people against.
This is not the time to limit or abolish the protections afforded us by the Second Amendment - or any of the others in our Bill of Rights.
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SPC Robert Nasiff
LTC Joe Anderson - I am incapable of being upset over mere conversations on this blog. I just find it humorous that those like yourself get all heated up and emotional. You see joe, your belief in a myth--god--is an emotional assuming belief! As for me, I have no such fact less religious or godly baggage. I just find it funny that others like yourself do. But hey, I do understand that people like yourself need a godly crutch as I guess it would be lonely for you in your life otherwise. The god thing offers a fictional hope to those that must need it. And as you pointed out, there are 3 billion people worldwide that seem to need it. I am glad I am in the majority of about 5 billion who have stable lives and don't need a god. Evidently the happy hunting ground is in your future. Remember the soul is a myth! Nice family by the way. hope the lacrosse game went well.
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LTC Joe Anderson
SPC Robert Nasiff - I hope you had a good day and evening. Mine went well the game was fun and the boys won. The first half was great, they had a blowout going, and the score was 11 to 3 at halftime. In the second half, their production slowed, but they still won the game. I'm not sure if they got overconfident or tired. But they didn't look quite as good in the second half. But, at least they kept playing and got the win. I felt a little bad for the other team since they came out from California.
Interesting that you commented on getting emotional. If, you look at ALL of our exchanges. NOT ONCE have I made fun of, disrespected, or said anything negative about your Atheist beliefs. I have when it comes to your beliefs on Racism and Color. I have also been critical of your misrepresentation, taking out of context, and failure to research or post the greater body of Jefferson's Religious beliefs and works. But, I have NEVER said ANYTHING negative or disrespectful of your Religious/Atheist beliefs. Something most might have done and I could have done. I didn't because you defended those beliefs intelligently (At times (Ridicule is not an intelligent defense, neither is a double-edged/two-sided argument)), you demonstrated a reasonable cause for your beliefs, and contributing factors. Having said, that, if someone is just off in left field in defending their beliefs, I might/may blast them. But, this is/was not the case. Even though I believe in God, I also share some of your beliefs. You asked a few questions about my beliefs, and I answered them and stated my beliefs. If you agree with some or all. Cool! If not, it's not my job to push them on you or convince you. No skin off my back if you disagree.
As long as you're not forcing your Religious Beliefs on me, they don't take anything away from me, take anything out of my pockets, or from my home. Your disbelief in God doesn't injure me, or my family, or place ANY unnecessary burden on me. Therefore, I have no reason to attack your Religious Beliefs, worry if your beliefs are right or wrong, or if I disagree with them. You're well versed on the arguments and merits of both sides of the coin, and obviously, this religious decision is entirely yours.
Which, circles me back to your comment on getting emotional. Your comments on God being a myth, invisible, baggage, a crutch, anyone who believes in God is a fool, and several other remarks. Demonstrates, your UTTER contempt, disdain, and discontent with/for anybody who believes in God... Which is quite an emotional action. If you weren't so passionate and emotional on the subject. You would feel no need to ridicule those who believe in God. You not only attempt to ridicule me, but I've seen your post around RP, where you ridicule ANYONE who believes in God. Just an observation, not a concern.
I will now make a few comments on Atheist. However, I will not be negative or ridiculing them.
There are almost 3 billion Christians in the world, 1.9 billion Muslims..., and a total of 7.6 Billion people in the world who believe in a Creator, God, some sort of Deity, various Gods or Deities, Spirits, and Demons.
There are Only/roughly 450 to 560 million Atheists and Agnostics worldwide, roughly about 7% of the world's population. This number is difficult to confirm since many Agnostics actually, believe in some form of deity or creator. For a few years, I consider myself Agnostic, later becoming Secular. But, that didn't quite fit my beliefs, so I finally settled on, "No Religious Preference." which can still be seen on my Dog Tags (No Pref Rec) today. A few Atheists around the world feel there is some kind of creator. Most, don't, particularly American Atheists. Those numbers may balance out by those Hindus, Buddhists, and people in general who don't publicly claim to be atheists. But, do not believe in God or a Creator.
Most US Atheists Express concern about the role religion plays in society.
Most US Atheists are white men.
Most US Atheists and religious believers find comfort and meaning in their lives in some of the same ways and activities.
Most Americans believe that believing in God is not necessary to be a good person. I agree!!!!
77% of US Atheists don't believe in God or a higher power. However, 23% believe in God, a Creator, or a higher power. I'm not sure how that makes them atheists. Since, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the definition of an Atheist is not believing in any God, Deities, or Creator.
Thanks for the compliment on my family. I am quite proud of them. And, no, it doesn't bother me if I brag and it bothers others. Yes, I have bragged about my boys while making a point. They're success was my point. Have a good night and an awesome weekend!!
Interesting that you commented on getting emotional. If, you look at ALL of our exchanges. NOT ONCE have I made fun of, disrespected, or said anything negative about your Atheist beliefs. I have when it comes to your beliefs on Racism and Color. I have also been critical of your misrepresentation, taking out of context, and failure to research or post the greater body of Jefferson's Religious beliefs and works. But, I have NEVER said ANYTHING negative or disrespectful of your Religious/Atheist beliefs. Something most might have done and I could have done. I didn't because you defended those beliefs intelligently (At times (Ridicule is not an intelligent defense, neither is a double-edged/two-sided argument)), you demonstrated a reasonable cause for your beliefs, and contributing factors. Having said, that, if someone is just off in left field in defending their beliefs, I might/may blast them. But, this is/was not the case. Even though I believe in God, I also share some of your beliefs. You asked a few questions about my beliefs, and I answered them and stated my beliefs. If you agree with some or all. Cool! If not, it's not my job to push them on you or convince you. No skin off my back if you disagree.
As long as you're not forcing your Religious Beliefs on me, they don't take anything away from me, take anything out of my pockets, or from my home. Your disbelief in God doesn't injure me, or my family, or place ANY unnecessary burden on me. Therefore, I have no reason to attack your Religious Beliefs, worry if your beliefs are right or wrong, or if I disagree with them. You're well versed on the arguments and merits of both sides of the coin, and obviously, this religious decision is entirely yours.
Which, circles me back to your comment on getting emotional. Your comments on God being a myth, invisible, baggage, a crutch, anyone who believes in God is a fool, and several other remarks. Demonstrates, your UTTER contempt, disdain, and discontent with/for anybody who believes in God... Which is quite an emotional action. If you weren't so passionate and emotional on the subject. You would feel no need to ridicule those who believe in God. You not only attempt to ridicule me, but I've seen your post around RP, where you ridicule ANYONE who believes in God. Just an observation, not a concern.
I will now make a few comments on Atheist. However, I will not be negative or ridiculing them.
There are almost 3 billion Christians in the world, 1.9 billion Muslims..., and a total of 7.6 Billion people in the world who believe in a Creator, God, some sort of Deity, various Gods or Deities, Spirits, and Demons.
There are Only/roughly 450 to 560 million Atheists and Agnostics worldwide, roughly about 7% of the world's population. This number is difficult to confirm since many Agnostics actually, believe in some form of deity or creator. For a few years, I consider myself Agnostic, later becoming Secular. But, that didn't quite fit my beliefs, so I finally settled on, "No Religious Preference." which can still be seen on my Dog Tags (No Pref Rec) today. A few Atheists around the world feel there is some kind of creator. Most, don't, particularly American Atheists. Those numbers may balance out by those Hindus, Buddhists, and people in general who don't publicly claim to be atheists. But, do not believe in God or a Creator.
Most US Atheists Express concern about the role religion plays in society.
Most US Atheists are white men.
Most US Atheists and religious believers find comfort and meaning in their lives in some of the same ways and activities.
Most Americans believe that believing in God is not necessary to be a good person. I agree!!!!
77% of US Atheists don't believe in God or a higher power. However, 23% believe in God, a Creator, or a higher power. I'm not sure how that makes them atheists. Since, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the definition of an Atheist is not believing in any God, Deities, or Creator.
Thanks for the compliment on my family. I am quite proud of them. And, no, it doesn't bother me if I brag and it bothers others. Yes, I have bragged about my boys while making a point. They're success was my point. Have a good night and an awesome weekend!!
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LTC Joe Anderson
SPC Robert Nasiff - Hopefully, like me, you try to take a break from RP on the weekends. I just wanted to reach out and see if you're okay. Hopefully you're doing well and just decided to move on conversation wise. Headed to Colorado on Wednesday, to watch my son's team play a few Lacrosse games, with some Universities out there. I'll be back in town Saturday night or Sunday morning. Just checking on you and seeing how you're doing. I hope you had a good weekend, you have a great evening, and rest of your week!! Take care! Joe
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SPC Robert Nasiff
I'm fine. golfed this weekend. got a half foot snow on the ground now. The mother of my kids fell yesterday and fractured her hip. had the operation this morning. Now I am dealing with that. Glad to see your kids are doing OK. Have a great Tuesday and on!!
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Capt Richard I P. No. The second amendment, protects the right of self defense. Having the right of self defense is the right to preserve one's life and to preserve other's lives. The right to self defense also protects the right to free press, free speech, and the freedom of assembly. Not having a armed citizens prevents us from ensuring our other rights remain intact and opens us up to having other rights removed.
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SSG John C Quigley II
SPC Robert Nasiff - I got that figure from Biden himself as he was bragging about him forcing the firing of the Lawyer who was working to prove that Burisma was doing a number of criminal operations while Biden's son was working there, with zero knowledge of there operations and earning BIG bucks. Anyway he demanded they fire that lawyer or forfeit the 6 billion that had been approved, he was the one who was to get the funds to Ukraine. The fired the man, and gave him 500 million to help grease the skids to get the money.
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SPC Robert Nasiff
SSG John C Quigley II - Proof?? If that really happened, how come the house investigation has not mentioned it? No proof is why. All lies and you know it. The administration including Biden and the European Union were trying to get the Ukraine investigator fired because he was corrupt and not doing his job investigation Burisma. And Biden's son did not get $500 million. He earned $11 million working for Burisma! Just goes to show you that your sources are incorrect.
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SPC Robert Nasiff
SSG John C Quigley II - And the supposed CIA inside man, Alexander Smirnov, Has already been arrested and charged after he admitted he was lying about the Biden ties to Burisma. And admitted to working with the Russians to try and discredit Biden. But you obviously don't seem to have read the latest news and developments regarding the House impeachment inquiry and how it has failed to offer any impeachable proof. I am sure though that you are disappointed with that. Remember, Smirnov was the House's big big catch witness in proving Biden wrong doing. Thanks for your service.
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SPC Robert Nasiff
So no, this country was not founded on Judeo Christian principles. As Jefferson once said, there needed to be a wall between religion and government. By the way, Sigmund Freud of Jewish upbringing was basically an atheist. When in college, I looked through some writings of his, and especially his "Why War". His opinion was that first of all, man's two most overriding instincts are sex and aggression! Without sex, our species would not exist. And without aggression, we would not have survived as a species. And why man's instincts continually lead to wars. and each war is worse than the previous one as man finds new ways to kill amass! And you should read his theories about the 10 commandments which he believes are unattainable. For instance, Love they enemy is pretty hard to do if that person just killed your family. Thou shalt not kill--sure right. Regarding sex, yes some laws are based on the bible: Like you are not supposed to have sex until you are married and you cannot covet another man's wife. And of course civil law outlaws aggression basically, so where does man's instinct for aggression lead him? Boxing, fights etc. And not to forget the ultimate aggression-- war --where man not only can legally kill, but become a hero for doing so. And the more of the enemy he kills the more honors he receives.
A great book to read is "All Quiet on the Western Front"! Really a pacifist anti war novel. It was the first book banned and burned by the Nazi. when they came to power in 1933, Erich Maria Remarque, the author of all quiet on the western front fled with his wife to Switzerland after they were warned that the Gestapo planned to murder them. In 1943, his sister Elfriede Scholz, was betrayed by her neighbor and turned over to the Gestapo, where after a short trial, in which she was charged with crimes against the state, was beheaded. It is a good read, as the author wrote about his experiences in the 1st WW. Freud did not hold out hope for man never having another war. As the WW2 proved his point in that it was even more deadly than WW1.
A great book to read is "All Quiet on the Western Front"! Really a pacifist anti war novel. It was the first book banned and burned by the Nazi. when they came to power in 1933, Erich Maria Remarque, the author of all quiet on the western front fled with his wife to Switzerland after they were warned that the Gestapo planned to murder them. In 1943, his sister Elfriede Scholz, was betrayed by her neighbor and turned over to the Gestapo, where after a short trial, in which she was charged with crimes against the state, was beheaded. It is a good read, as the author wrote about his experiences in the 1st WW. Freud did not hold out hope for man never having another war. As the WW2 proved his point in that it was even more deadly than WW1.
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