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I thought they "formally" started reevaluating the ABCP several years ago...I don't remember which SMA but I thought one of them said they were looking into it even before ACFT.

Either way, it needs to be looked at and needs changed, especially if the ACFT is what the Army wants. It does hurt women more. I saw a post about this female soldier - she was nothing but pure muscle in ever picture. Her FB profile she looked like she lived at the gym. She failed weight - gets taped. She failed tape solely because she has big hips. So now she's flagged as "overweight" when she's pure muscle.

I saw somewhere else a female who worked her way to what was the "medium" standard used to be by MOS. Of course she gained weight - she built up muscle.

The tape standard has always been bs for women. Always. Guys too but my experience is as from the female perspective. I was good on weight - until I gave birth. Now my body doesn't seem to know what the hell it wants to do.
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MSG Bob S
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The tape is bullshit for men too. I was taped my entire career to include MEPS (1991 - 2017). Though I always did pass it was alway within 1% of being over weight even when I was in SF. Glad to see it finally be done away with
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MSG Bob S - I did say "for guys too" but my experience is from a woman's POV.
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MSG Bob S
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You sure as hell did. I should dust off that attention to detail.
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I hear you on the magical changes in height too. I remember I got taped one time and they measure me a whole 2 inches shorter. When the guy did the tape test it was way off. I politely asked him to get a second person to repeat the taping and measurements. Amazingly I grew 2 inches and my neck gained an inch and my waist dropped over an inch. That is how subjective the tape test is. SFC (Join to see)
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I notice tape really impacts the 30+ males too, even some that are as fit as an ox and can beat the fresh 18 year olds on a run and out lift them all day are getting hit by tape.

I knew a girl that took dieting pills and underfed herself just to try and pass tape. She avoided anything negative but chose not to reenlist.

I don't know what the solution is, but if every unit seems to have gripes with it maybe it needs to be looked at. I've never passed weight, and have had to pass tape my whole time in. The weight group for my height and age has not been something I've achieved since 10-15 years ago. I won't get below 200 let alone the 184 for my age group, it's just not going to happen for me so tape it is.

As a side note and for a lot of guys, doesn't help that when we lose weight we lose that neck girth too.
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Completely get rid of it and rely on the PT test. Seriously, what is the point in taping a Soldier that is doing well on the APFT or ACFT? We are told that this new ACFT will be a better indicator of how fit someone is for combat, okay, if they are passing then what does BMI matter??
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