Posted on Feb 22, 2019
John Kellen
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I lied at meps . I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn’t they found it at meps . I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it’s a no go or not . The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . But I’m afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ?
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LTC Jason Mackay
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John Kellen you are aware you are on a public website and that anyone can read this, right?
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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SSG Sean Donahue -

No need to be insulting to other members. I have asked you before on other forums to not do that. Nobody here is an idiot. People just have differing opinions on the above question.

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SP6 Guy Slater
SP6 Guy Slater
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PFC Deric Gregory - I did. When I went for my physical in 68, I answered that I did not have asthma, knowing that in the past year, my last year of high school, I had spent about 5 days out due to asthma.
I was also enlisted illegally. When I signed my papers, I was two days shy of being 18. Now, that was at the recruiters office, and I would not report for AD for another 23 days, and would be 18 then. You guys on recruiting duty, may have the answer for that one, I don't know. What's more, I am past caring.
I went on to serve 18 years before being medically retired for injuries received in Vietnam, and other AD, non-combat, injuries.
I am a bit surprised that this man's problem came up in his later life. Many of the events that occur when we are children, later, as we grow, clear themselves up.
So, John Kellen, I wish you the best of luck. I doubt that the "powers-that-be will do anything about your transgression.
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PV2 Jeff Devlin
PV2 Jeff Devlin
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MSgt Michael Madden - China makes EVERY vaccine we use, no worries
im sure they would not dream of wiping us out without firing a shot. RIGHT?
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SrA Chris Bohler
SrA Chris Bohler
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Although it's the "a duh" moment, he didn't even lie about his name.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. It is best that you speak with your recruiter and explain that you failed to mention it as your doctor told you it was not an issue. You were torn and want to be honest. Own this and you may be surprised, if nothing else you will have evolved as a man.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
CSM Darieus ZaGara
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That would be a shame, but not an excuse. SR Chad Morphis
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SPC Ted Heath
SPC Ted Heath
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SSG Sean Donahue now that was a rant! It was so long and obtuse that I could barely make sense of it. To think, I turned town a full ride academic scholarship at a major college to enlist as a private.
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SSG Sean Donahue
SSG Sean Donahue
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SPC Ted Heath - Yes. Rant. So what? What do you want to hear? The should get the recruit/soldier on something. I disagree. I think the case isn't real but the example is realistic. If the army chaptered out every pilot who lied on an eye exam, many pilots would have been kicked out of the military over the years. But that wasn't your issue. Your issue is my comment, not the case itself. If you don't like my comments, then don't read them. You aren't obligated to. If you prefer what the others say, then do what they say. Myself, I already know that chaptering a soldier out of the military based on this scenario is poor leadership. There is only one guy or gal who knows if such a troop is fit for service and that's the unit surgeon, if they have one. If not, then it is the med doctor at the med unit that treats his unit. Unless that MD says the troop is medically unfit for service, it is none of anyone else's business. What is more, if the same level of scrutiny were to be applied to all service members, many people with successful military careers would be chaptered out. Getting bogged down on some troops medical form, security clearance form, or anything else, is not leadership. It is bureaucracy. A good bureaucrat does well in either the officer or enlisted ranks, as is the case in any government job. You are learning early in your military career to get people on $$**. Way to go. You will be someone's boy until you're not but you won't be an independent leader. Getting with the program is not leadership. It is group-think, at least it is in this case. You should have taken the scholarship. You chose to follow, rather than lead. I see that in your criticism.
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CPL Dave Lyon
CPL Dave Lyon
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Thank you CSM for the honor angle that has been mostly lost since, well, you know.
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SFC Vet Technician
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They might now...Why would you pose a question on a public website
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SSG Sean Donahue
SSG Sean Donahue
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SFC Wendell Pruitt - The more I think abut the crap you wrote the more I remember why I left the Army. None of my officers (the real officers) treated me the way that you did in your post. However, many envious noncoms and some wocs did. I was an intel sergeant, not a barbed wire jumper, door gunner, rope slider door kicker, pilot, spook, etc..... While I admired some (but not all) of them for what they did, most never grasped the fact that every decision that their command made first passed through the hands of myself or my colleagues. The spin that I either put on pr did not put on information based on my analysis of it affected the decisions being made based on that information. In the big scope of things, I approach the questions that are raised in these posts the same way. If I had to assign an importance level to the issue raised in this post it would be "don't brief it". The issue raised in this post falls into the category of crap that any decent officer in command or in an exec position would ask, between sips of coffee; Why are you briefing this? To which the only proper response would be to move on to something that matters. This is the kind of $*&t that some frustrated mid-level noncom or woc would keep coming back to the staff with and the most logical solution would be to tell the lower echelon person who out ranked you how much you recognize the importance of his/her concerns, reassure the lower echelon moron of how important he is, tell someone else in his echelon how insignificant the matter is and then forget about it.
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SGT John Overby
SGT John Overby
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Maybe he is seeking an honest answer because he has not been active duty.
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LCpl Jim Pleace
LCpl Jim Pleace
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Oh hell if he hasn't even raised his hand ONCE yet, he has time to come clean without repercussions. Once you raise your hand, twice, then they own your ass
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SGT Shannon Weaver Logan
SGT Shannon Weaver Logan
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I completely agree with you and several others. Why would you come to a public forum and post that? You should have found someone you trust and talk to them privately. I feel now that you have posted this that as others have suggested that you go back to your recruiter, or your command and explain what is going on and pray for the best outcome. Good luck!!
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