Posted on Mar 6, 2014
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Leaders,

I conducted a barracks inspection today. One of my Soldiers, not white, had a modified rebel flag hanging in his room. On it was an eagle and written "these colors don't run".
While common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there, is there anything that specifically says yes or no. AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline.
Who or what determines that this is a violation. What may be offensive to some may not be to others, religion, heritage, etc. Your thoughts?
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SPC Christopher Smith
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I have a "Rebel" flag tattooed upon my right shoulder. I know the history and meaning of my flag. Although history was written by the victor, the South has a strong and proud history. If someone has an issue with a symbol that is a strong part of our cultural and military history they should crack open a book.
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SGT Charles Bartell
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PFC John Roscoe - The only way I would find myself downrange as you put it (FOLK) follow Soldiers. Would be if you and other people cant get over there own problems and perception's or other's. My bet by your is your closed mind is can only think from one Political thoughts and prejudices.
I am also sure you have made comments about People that have held the office of the President. Get over your self and try to grow up.
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PFC John Roscoe
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Wow, Sarge, you`re never going to make Senior NCO if you don`t improve your English skills....as for my comments about the President, it`s ok; I haven`t been a PFC for 41 years, but I am a translator and English teacher , ya know, if you need help: like with this sentence of your's, "...your closed mind is can only think from one Political thoughts and prejudices." Does n`t reflect well on you. Remember, discretion is the better part of valor- better to be discreet about your communication deficiencies. As you were.
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SFC Willie Morgan
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SN William Golden - Free will "equals" choice.
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COL Jim Ainslie
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I think you need to crack open a book. The Confederate States of America seceded from the union over the issue of States' Rights to own another human being. The Bars and Stars which was the traditional "battle flag" represented a treasonous revolt against the federal government. The individuals who fought for that flag were not heroes fighting a good and valorous fight. I am not saying they were not good and honorable men, but they engaged in a treason. Regardless as to what the Battle Flag has morphed into, it is still a symbol of fight over lawful government and desire to own another human. Those hate mongers who wish to divide the country have latched on to this symbol to further their desire of splitting this country. It is a natural evolution of the Battle Flag to be used as a symbol for segregation, unrest, and anarchy. I am from the south and I am proud of my southern heritage; humility, genteel manners, and a slow pace of life. However, I am also willing to acknowledge the wrong headedness of some of my forebears.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Just a few thoughts. First of all, Sgt Newman is correct, and SSG Woods makes the salient point that the American flag has some stains of the same color on it as well.

Secondly, what should be done if a soldier of Japanese descent displayed a Japanese flag in their room. After all we fought a war with the (then) racist Japanese as well. I can't tell you how many times I have seen Puerto Rican flags hanging in barracks rooms as well. Where should the line be drawn? How do the French feel about a Cinco de Mayo celebration when it celebrates the defeat of their forces?

The point is, the things that can potentially offend someone are legion. It is important to note that inanimate objects are not, of, and in, themselves "offensive". To be offensive, someone has to CHOOSE to be offended.

I understand I'm not citing any regulations so I'm not answering the original question, and I DO believe that the line has to be drawn.... I would draw that line closer to the Nazi flag than to the flag known as the Stars and Bars, or which Sgt Newman accurately pointed out, is known as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.
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SSG Terry Farr
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The simple fact is those who fought under the battle flag of the southern successionists were enemies of the United States. They took up arms against the U.S. government, they killed U.S. citizens, and they did all they could to end the "united" part of the United States. They deserve NO "respect". They were TRAITORS to this country, and they should be remembered as such. And before anyone accuses me of being a "yankee", I was born at Beaufort Naval Hospital, in Beaufort, South Carolina, to a Marine father, who was also a southern man, and who had zero truck with calling the rebel army "honorable". They made a conscious decision to fight against the country of their birth. That made the traitors, any way you slice it.
Just like the politicians in Washington, today, in BOTH parties, that are taking money from the Russians and Chinese. A traitor is a traitor, no matter the "cause" or the year.
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PO2 Kris Speers
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Anyone who has a pro kem with the puerto rican flag is a fucking idiot. Its a US territory, little different than flying a state flag. The rebel flag is a bit of a different monster than that.
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CH (MAJ) Ed Williamson
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SSG Terry Farr - SSG Farr please remember that the South had seceded from the Union. If you read about the taxation and tariffs placed upon the Southern states at the time it is understandable why they quit. For 114 days there was calm then Lincoln tried to resupply a Fort the North should have abandoned months ago. This act prompted the Southern Forces at Charleston to defend the Fort. Lincoln used the event to declare war. Were they traitors? No! They were like a abused married woman who tried to flee the situation only to have the brute she married track her down and force her back into the marriage.
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Maj George Martin
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SSG Terry Farr - Ignorance is the greatest evil.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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The Confederate flag offends some because of what it represents. Ok that's fair.

Let's not forget the reprehensible and atrocious things that happened in this country under the USA flag (child labor, Japanese concentration camps, segregation).

I'm just pointing out there is a much larger picture here.
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PFC John Roscoe
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you swore an oath to the country under the US American flag, to protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It does n`t say that oath is void because your country has done some bad things.
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SSG Terry Farr
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The designer of the original Confederate flag, W. T. Thompson, called it "a white man's flag", and said it symbolized "the supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race".
But tell me again about how it's about "heritage, not hate"? When the flag's designer says, point blank, that it's EXACTLY about hate.
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SPC Randy Z.
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LCDR (Join to see) - yes sir, AND Daisy Mae too...!
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SSG Terry Farr - You might want to check your research. The original confederate flag was designed by Nicola Marschall. But that's not even the flag we're discussing.

Thompson designed the SECOND Confederate flag, which used the preexisting battle flag, based on the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. That flag was developed by William Porcher Miles who, while far from being a good person, is not known to have put any "hate" into the flag, but rather designed it purely as a military necessity.

So... nope, your hate doesn't fly here.
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