Posted on Sep 17, 2013
CPT Aaron Kletzing
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When new young officers get to their first unit, they're usually messed by just about everyone! This can range from from taping them upside down to a tree in the middle of post, to things I can't exactly post here.

What makes NCOs and Enlisted personnel do this so much?
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1SG Jeff Finlay
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I was FA for 20 years, I never heard of a young LT getting taped to a gun tube. As a 1SG I did call my Platoon Sergeants in and tell them they were getting a new LT and they better train him right.
For the record, one day I was looking at my unit history and I saw that back in the day 2LT Westmoreland's first duty station was my B Btry 2/18 FA. Every time I got a new LT I would take him into our conference room and show him a picture of 2LT Westmoreland. I would tell them every General started out as a 2LT. Pay attention to your NCO's and listen to the Commander. If I ever heard of a NCO harassing a young LT, I would have torn them a new hole.
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SSG Jim Handy
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Agreed. I was in the FA for 10 years and never saw or heard of that happening.
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SSG Cannon Crew Member
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16yrs, and same thing here,, not once, but it briefs well. But we all have heard that "when I was in basic this guy jumped out the window" story.
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SFC Chem Bev Specialist
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22yrs FA and also NEVER seen a Cadet or 2lt treated like that. Unthinkable,   Really! voted down? so its ok to place your hands on an officer, Or disrespect one because what thier a kid? Yup its all good and fun till the First one files a harassment charge.
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SFC Gary Fox
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It's the young officer's right of passage.  I've seen many times, especially those officers commissioned through ROTC who arrive at a unit believing they know more than their Platoon Sergeant.  Face it, the E-4 has more experience in the mission than the newly commissioned 2LT.I served with a LTC who was once an OBC instructor.  He said he used to tell all the 2LTs in his classes that when they leave there, they will go to a unit and be a Platoon Leader.  He told them he didn't know why they were being called a "leader" because they did not yet have the experience to lead.  He told them their platoon sergeant would have years of experience and they should be in that platoon sergeants hip pocket learning everything they can.  Platoon sergeants are the best mentor a new 2LT can ever have, but that 2LT has to realize that.
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MAJ Brigade Fire Support Officer
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I see it as just a way to feel the new LT out. It is very true a lot of new 2LTs come in with a "take charge and I have all the right answers attitude." I got messed with a bit but I did not let it bug me and I maintained a humble attitude. I valued my NCOs advice and often took their recommendations. Eventually they saw that I valued their years of experience and they in turn valued me.<br>
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MSgt Kerry Lundy
MSgt Kerry Lundy
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MAJ (Join to see) - You would be the officer I would like. One who would rely on his senior enlisteds to guide,train and reinforce him/her. The last junior officer(2Lt) I had in my devision told me upon his arrival his primary job to start was to learn I and the other senior NCOs knew about leadership and our job. I retired about a year after he came on board and the last I heard he was developing into a fine young officer still asking questions and picking his senior NCOs brain. I also encountered many senior NCOs who never attained leadership skills to accomplish the mission and resorted to the because I said so hammer(ordered). The pendulum swings both ways in all ranks as the politicing does also.
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CPT Jack Durish
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This is a joke, right? Sure, I had to earn respect when I was a "shavetail" lieutenant, but no one would openly disrespect me or abuse me in the manner described, nor have I ever heard of anything like it happening. Yes, there were instances of "fragging" for officers and NCOs who got their men killed through their incompetency. However, these things were rare.<div><br></div><div>Yes, enlisted, NCOs, and even junior officers might respond with lethargy to orders from higher ranking personnel who were obviously incompetent, but never overt acts of insubordination or abuse. Such acts would indicate poor discipline which usually equates to poor leadership, command and control.</div><div><br></div><div>No, I'll stick with my original idea. This is a joke...</div>
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PVT Raymond Lopez
PVT Raymond Lopez
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CPT Jack Durish I wonder have many people besides us old farts know where the term "shavetail' lieutenant actually comes from?
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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PVT Raymond Lopez - It's our secret language
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