Posted on Feb 1, 2017
MSgt George Cater
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What say you? Make it clear and unambiguous. One possible text:

"The right of the people to defend themselves, their property and their Nation being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
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CPT Jack Durish
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I fear that any attempt to open a discussion on the language of the Second Amendment will also open the gates allowing the hyterical rabble led by the Progressive Left who would use it as an opportunity to attack the fundamental/natural/God-given right to self-defense
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SGM Charles Twardzicki
SGM Charles Twardzicki
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God, at least in the bible, tells us to turn the other cheek not grab your 9mm and kill the person.
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PFC Scott O'Connor
PFC Scott O'Connor
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God/Jesus also said "If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Luke 22:36. Then, there's Exodus 22; “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed”
SGM Twardzicki, with due respect, if you truly believe in "turning the other cheek", as it were, why did you join the Army/Military? My point being, turning the other cheek and military service are likely to be diametrically opposed.

I would guess that, based on the shear number of firearms in private hands in the US, the vast majority of them ARE for self defense uses, primarily. Self defense is about wisdom of knowing when to use it. If a person is approaching and just wants to fist fight and the odds are fairly even, then make it a fist fight. If The Rock is coming at me and moving like a Kung Fu grandmaster, the odds are NOT even, and I would be in fear for my life.

My point being, self denfense, up to and including the same capability, is an inalienable right, and to give the government the ability to stop that is self defeating.

As to the original point, the language is fine. Our "national" reading comprehension is the problem. If we as a modern world spent more time cultivating the written and spoken word, as opposed to Twitter, etc et. al., we would be able o understand it as written, in th esame manner which it was written.
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PFC Scott O'Connor
PFC Scott O'Connor
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My typo at the end was unintentional, yet ironically humorous.
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SFC Robert Hills
SFC Robert Hills
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SGM Charles Twardzicki - Great response, best to just let the other sonofabitch kill you and/or your family. The bad guy will be punished later while you are dead.
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Cpl Chris Cargile
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I say leave it alone, the Founders worded it that way for a reason. 1st Amendment "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...". 2nd Amendment "the right of the people to keep and bear arms". 4th Amendment "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects...". 5th Amendment "No person shall be held to answer...". 9th Amendment "... shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.". Those are just the ones that refer specifically to "the people" and not "the accused" or "the Owner" in 6A and 3A respectively. The Founders were a lot more careful with and respectful of language than we are now and worded the Bill of Rights the way they did to preserve the rights and primacy of the Individual over the State.
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SGT Perry Spencer
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Is it not our duty to defend our country against our enemy both foreign and domestic? Our enemy currently is domestic. We as a people have allowed the enemies to infiltrate our government and become leaders and in so doing we are in danger of losing all everyone of us has fought to defend. We have allowed the Fienstiens, Pelosies and everyone in this circle of theirs to slowly undermine and change our country. We have Muslims running for office who's only goal is to destroy our country and take it over. There will be a time when we will have no rights unless we take hold and take back these offices back. There was a time when a government official could not hold office if they were foreign born or held a different belief that was in our constitution. Look at us now. Muslims in office. Haters of our country are running it. Our constitution is constantly attacked and slowly being amended to suit their own agenda. I know I sound like a leftist or maybe an extremest but I assure you I am not. I have; just as many or all of you, lived in a country I love long enough to see what is slowly taken place. I tell you you all that unless we weed these bad apples out, we will become a nation that is no longer free. So you see it's not about the constitution as a whole but rather the one who are in control and that are pushing to change it to a point where we no longer have a choice.
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PO2 Charles Fanning
PO2 Charles Fanning
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SGT Perry Spencer - I do agree overall with your comment but I have to point out were I see the problem is actually percolating and flowing from. It has several initials like CNN HLN ABC NBC CBS, We saw during the 2016 election cycle how one candidate could do no wrong, and we kept hearing how bad the other candidate was. We saw were the one candidate literally had the rules of their own party changed to help them and the news applauded it. We saw were 2008 cycle were they did not do do-diligence and purposefully ignored and lashed out at anyone pointing out their omissions. Now we have them telling the american people that it is their job to tell people how to think. And I will not get into what is happening on our college campuses. We as vets that believe and take seriously the oath we took need to help Gently educate the younger American generation what the True meaning of the US Constitution is as written, not as "interpitated" It is not a "living document" But a hard copy of how we as americans have and will survive and thrive if followed.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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Lt Col John Tringali - Read the final statement at the end of the Constitution as signed by the Secretary Recorder of the Convention.
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LTC Gene Moser
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SFC William Allen - The NRA wants to get rid of the nominative absolute. But that's why the 2nd was written.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore
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The problem you face is that you will need a Constitutional Amendment to make that happen. LEAVE IT ALONE!
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore - I also spent several years in a Catholic Middle School and High School after attending Public School in grades 1-6, was raised Roman Catholic and at 17 while in Basic I was Baptized Southern Baptist at the Louisville Baptist Church which was and is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention.
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SPC Don Wynn
SPC Don Wynn
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SFC Charles McVey Sr. - OK, so, I have not and did not state that we are a simple Democracy. However, we are a FORM of Democracy since we do ELECT/CHOOSE our representatives. As representatives, they are directed by our Constitution, thus we are further a Constitutional Republic. If the Constitution had not called for ELECTED representation, but rather APPOINTED ones, but still directed by the Constitution, then we would be a sole Republic. Bottom line, we both elect our representation AND even vote, on a limited basis, for certain legislation. But then I will assume that you would consider that 'liberal garbage' and dismiss it as left wing propaganda. Have at it, but as long as we elect representation, that makes us a FORM of democracy! If you have a problem with the word, that is not my concern. I understand how our government works, or rather, how it SHOULD work, and while some of it, IMHO, could be improved, I have no desire to see it changed.
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SGT Jay Costanzo Sr
SGT Jay Costanzo Sr
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At Sandy Hook they found multiple half empty magazines. He was changing mags as he went room to room, like levels of a video game.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore - Excuse me for attempting to provide an educated discourse to your idea regarding the 2nd Amendment. Have a nice day.
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