Posted on Feb 7, 2021
PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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The buzz that is on the news addresses Negro communities do not trust the vaccine because the Tuskegee experiments were a horror introduced to the Negro men subjected to treatments that were not designed to cure their syphilis. MK ULTRA, a cold war era drug introduced by the government left much suspicion and distrust for a government wide sanction that affected whole populations. The news referred to the wide administration of the COVID19 vaccination as "herd vaccination". Jews being sent to concentration camps were sent in herds. What are we really facing in this 21st century world. To avoid a possible claim of libel, I will make this statement this way, "do a search on billionaires that support herd vaccinations, then search out their views on population control".

https://www.history.com/topics/us-government/history-of-mk-ultra
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard after this last election and the past 20 years of corrupt government (maybe even longer) I wouldn't and couldn't trust the government any further then I could throw them. There are so many things on the Internet these days, that's its really hard to tell what the truth is anymore (conspiracy theories abound). My mother is 85 and she is geting the vaccine because of her age, and then there are us Veterans who will be contactced by the VA to get ours very soon as well. Right now they are vacinating about 11,000 that are 75 and older here at the Denver VA... So, I guess it comes down to what you believe and the research you do, but even the research can be bias... I've not made up my mind yet on the vaccine. We'll see... As far as your question I've looked at what you recommended and again I don't know why or who to believe my friend. We live in strange times that is for sure...
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs yes we do live in strange times and the truth is wrapped up in an enigma. As well as, remnants of history has reemerged.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs I agree ...bottom line is we all have to make the decision. I chose to get the vaccination... my second shot will be on Feb. 21st. I put my faith in the Lord...he brought me thru my Covid episode without being hospitalized. God is Good!
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend PO3 Phyllis Maynard for posting a timely group of related questions.
To be honest their are myriad reasons posited to distrust the various COVID vaccines.
I think you meant to state 'herd immunity' and not 'herd vaccination' unless you are focused on concerns about gene therapy or other fears based on history.
a. The current approach is closer to herd vaccination in that the goal is to vaccinate everybody.
b. Whether or not herd immunity would result depends on many factors - degree and distribution of mutation of virus which negates effectiveness of vaccination; relative immunity to reinfection for vaccination and expectation for how long relative immunity would last and what symptoms a person could expect [if any] as immunity was ending [short of becoming infected.

1. Political resistance - their were many democrats and progressives who distrusted the government under former President Donald Trump - many publicly said they would not trust the government. Now that Joe Biden is POTUS and his prediction about rapid and effective distribution of vaccine has been debunked by facts.
2. Mistrust of vaccines in general based on family history of adverse reaction as well as paranoia at the other extreme.
3. Non-citizens natural reticence to being treated and added to government visibility of their status.
4. Fear of gene therapy.

COVID-19 Vaccination: What You Need to Know - Jan 27, 2021
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Steven Gordon, MD, Chair of Infectious Disease
Michelle Medina, MD, Associate Chief of Clinical Operations
Richard Rothman, MD, Chair of Hospital Medicine
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Maj John Bell
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I'm hesitant about taking the vaccine. It isn't about any nefarious plots, schemes or conspiracy theories.

I've seen far too many "If you took __________ and are are experiencing ___________, __________, or ____________; you may be entitled to compensation" commercials. Drugs that haven't been rushed through the approval process are later discovered to have significant problems relatively often. These vaccines have been rushed through. I don't trust the rushed process.

I suspect 3-5 years down the line we will start seeing those commercials about one or some of the vaccines.
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard Thank you...God blessed me in 2005. I retired at the age of 55 & was sent into Prisons to "plant seeds". I came up with a plan, but his plan was better...always is. God is Good!
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PFC Aircraft Pneudraulics Repairer
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There's only one problem with that. There's zero liability for the companies producing the vaccines. That's highly suspicious, sir.
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Maj John Bell
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PFC (Join to see) - One of the things I've found out in life, it doesn't matter what guarantees of "no liability" are in place. Lawyers run through "no liabilty" clauses like they are wet TP, single ply. In many cases defendants still pay out to avoid bad publicity or because they calculate that the total costs (including bad publicity) are less than the costs of a fight they win.

https://www.marsh.com/us/insights/research/covid-19-liability-immunity-under-prep-act.html
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Maj John Bell you make a good point, sir. I still find it highly suspicious that they would be granted such immunity with a virtually untested, unproven vaccine, sir.
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