Posted on Apr 26, 2017
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Having spent a second career in law enforcement, I've commented a number of times on RP on various police-related posts, usually to the castigation by those who know absolutely nothing about police work. Please enjoy this discussion.

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CPT Jack Durish
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I can't imagine that anyone would want militarized police in their community if they watched an infantry platoon in action. When in action, the infantry destroys targets and kills people. It attacks with a level of aggression that will insure its success by using overwhelming force. Policing is nothing like that, nothing at all. Policing is about the investigation of crime and the apprehension of criminals. I have often told of my experience while living in Honolulu of the terrible record the police there had in shooting suspects. The city invested in advanced training in alternate methods of personal combat as well as psyops for police officers. Shortly after the first police graduated, there was an incident when two officers were attacked by perpetrators they had interrupted in the commission of a robbery. Once officer was wounded and the other, rather than drawing his weapon, talked them down and arrested them. It was an incredible demonstration of the effectiveness of properly training officers of the law.
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That's why modern police departments also have highly skilled negotiators assigned to SWAT. Communication is paramount in all situations. BUT, that said, talking does not always work, and police departments and its individual officers need to be prepared for any and every contingency.
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SSgt Investigative Analyst
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Hi, Senior Chief.

I've had this conversation before, and I always brought up the North Hollywood incident. Those perps started it all.
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And the police ended it that day. There have been a number of highly intense shootouts with bad guys since. This kind of thing is not getting any better.
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SSG Edward Tilton
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Talk about Us vs Them if you can't walk around your own beat you are no longer a Police Officer, you are an occupying Army. Your citizens are becoming Collateral Damage
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SGT Kevin Berman
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I think this statement most will agree to: "As a retired U.S. Army Military Police officer and as a former deputy sheriff, I do not generally support the militarized policing model. However, I certainly support efforts to ensure officers can effectively dominate armed encounters."

Picking on the photo - if that is a picture of a SWAT team I don't have much issue w/ the equipment, though not sure they need to BDU's. If a 'regular' sheriff unit not sure they need what appears to be the latest in military equipment.

Skip the BDU's and stick with Police 'Blue' colors - maybe just clothing, but does change the 'image' civilians first see. In the picture, the only thing that person can tell that this is not a military unit is the Sheriff on the vest.
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Historically, SWAT, ERT, HRT or whatever they were called wore as many different uniforms as the law enforcement community. I have no idea where you getting all this information. What the public perceives is largely exacerbated by the media...because the vast majority of the public sees police through the lenses of the Media.
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SGT Kevin Berman
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I'll narrow it - my experience seeing SWAT teams both on tv and in person, always wore black uniforms with a big white SWAT on front/back. What we are seeing more and more, are non-SWAT teams wearing military style uniforms. The public perceives this as a militarization of the police (right or wrong).

Keep in mind this also goes far beyond just uniforms - as the article mentioned police units are getting all kinds of former military gear, equipment and vehicles. And this at a time where crime in general is low (minus some core cities). Not sure why a police unit needs humvee's. The article also mentions some smaller cities receiving equipment that is really questionable they need, versus someone wanted it.
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SSG Carlos Madden
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SCPO (Join to see) - I disagree. I think a vast majority of the public see the police through their presence in the community during in the countless hours of their daily lives when police walk the beat, are driving around town, personal interactions or responding to whatever it is they're called to do in the communities they protect. I guess the exception would be in places where there is little to no police presence.
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SGT Kevin Berman
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SSG Carlos Madden - I'd agree that the majority of the time the public 'sees' Police blue - but more and more instead of the SWAT black, you are seeing military style uniforms. A Police unit receiving an mine resistant vehicle, not sure of.
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