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Capt Tom Brown
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This kind of perp gives all LEOs a bad name. Esp in this day and age there is no room or place anywhere for an individual like that in any uniform.
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SFC Senior Counterintelligence Sergeant
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Agreed. I was really hoping for the other officers to be more resistant to his behavior, because I felt that would have completely countered the wrong-doing of the video. Unfortunately, it seems one tried, but may have been too Junior to have the confidence to stand on Integrity.
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She's said she doesn't plan to sue, for now. I don't know enough to say but have heard that a requirement for consent or similar has been upheld by SCOTUS. I understand their concerns regarding barriers to doing their job, but the nurse stood to lose a lot if she gave in. They also had a standing agreement that the PD had signed on to. If she'd given the sample and the man sued, the hospital would have likely abandoned her for not following protocol. Besides loss of job, add potential loss of license and/or lawsuit and/or fines. It was a time for cool heads and what was the rush? Call for supervisors and let them hash it out. The man was in the burn unit and unconscious so he wasn't going anywhere. Any suspected meds in his system would not dissipate in the extra minutes it would have taken to do it right. They had previously drawn blood so the detective could have gotten a warrant telephonically and obtained some of that blood without even drawing any more. He had likely been administered pain meds anyway, so any sample at that point was invalid. It seemed like a power struggle that ended badly to me. Trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
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LTC Laborer
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It turns out that the police policy manual was woefully out of date ... and it appears that the detective and the watch officer were complying with what was in it. No wonder the mayor and the chief of police are falling all over themselves to apologize ... they are doing their best to duck a whopping civil lawsuit for which the city, not the detective and watch officer, would be on the hook. Now, I don't have much use for the way the detective (Payne) and the watch officer (Tracy) conducted themselves ... but if their actions were in line with the police department's policy manual, it will be pretty difficult to hang a criminal charge on them ... IMV.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/02/gehrke-the-outrageous-arrest-of-a-nurse-exposed-salt-lake-city-police-for-having-bizarrely-out-of-date-policies/
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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Implied consent isn't the only issue. William Gray is a patient of the hospital, and has privacy rights, just like anyone else. While he is in a hospital room, he has the same rights as someone in a hotel room, in an apartment, or in a home. The police cannot just enter the room and do what they want to do. It's not a public place, where anyone can enter. For the police to enter, they need either consent or a warrant. Mind you, that's just to get in the room with Gray, much less to stick a needle in his arm.
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CW3 Harvey K.
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Payne's "breaking point" ---- when the higher-up on the phone told him he was both wrong to blame the messenger (the nurse) and "was making a big mistake" about the law. That was the last straw for his ego, so he took out his frustration by frightening the nurse with physical intimidation while saying she was under arrest.
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