DA Pam 670-1
DA Pam 670-1
Posted on Mar 24, 2021
Is the 5.11 rapid assault shirt compliant with 670-1?
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My PX sells these combat shirts so I would assume they are? And if so, where in the f do the patches go? I can’t find shit online as to what is to be worn and where.
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DA Pam 670-1
DA Pam 670-1
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I will go ahead and address this. It is not just a no but a it will never happen. The commander can modify and authorize some items but this isn't one of them. The only shirt that you can wear is the Army Combat Shirt. An ALARACT came out to authorize the ACS. A commander may modify uniforms but those are only for dress items or accessories. He can't disregard a whole uniform and just make one up. That shirt is recreational only. You can go out and purchase an ACS but even then your commander will have to authorize you to wear in the field.
There was a reason why the Army banned all of the other shirts besides the ACS. As soon as they are exposed to fire they will melt and graft to your skin. It is not safe or wise.
There was a reason why the Army banned all of the other shirts besides the ACS. As soon as they are exposed to fire they will melt and graft to your skin. It is not safe or wise.
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First off, let's keep this a professional forum.
Second, just because it's sold, doesn't make it authorized.
Third, 99.9% sure the answer is no, they aren't authorized. And even if they were it would only be under field conditions while wearing armor.
We used to get shirts like these during the UCP days, and it made 1SGs and CSMs everywhere lose their minds - and they were issued! Not only were they Iraq/Afghanistan only, but exclusively while outside the wire.
ARSOF gets shirts like that in the SPEAR package, but I don't believe FORSCOM is rocking shirts like those anymore.
Second, just because it's sold, doesn't make it authorized.
Third, 99.9% sure the answer is no, they aren't authorized. And even if they were it would only be under field conditions while wearing armor.
We used to get shirts like these during the UCP days, and it made 1SGs and CSMs everywhere lose their minds - and they were issued! Not only were they Iraq/Afghanistan only, but exclusively while outside the wire.
ARSOF gets shirts like that in the SPEAR package, but I don't believe FORSCOM is rocking shirts like those anymore.
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SGT Dalton Kemp
Well I know with us, they are commander discretion while during field ops. But I’ve searched all over and cannot find a single forum whether they are or are not. But I’ve also seen other companies in my battalion wearing them in the field. The exact same one.
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SGT Dalton Kemp - That's a different question then. 670-1 and commander discretion are different things.
Like Stetsons aren't 670-1 compliant but Commanders allow them on fridays.
Like Stetsons aren't 670-1 compliant but Commanders allow them on fridays.
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SGT Dalton Kemp - Those Soldiers are not in compliance. If there was an incident to where a Soldier was harmed due to the shirt you would have a new company commander pretty quick.
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Chapter 2-10
a. Soldiers purchasing uniforms, uniform items, or heraldic items from establishments other than the MCSS must
ensure that the items are authorized for wear and that they conform to appropriate military specifications or are manufactured in accordance with the UQCP or the heraldic quality control system. When items appear deficient, Soldiers
should submit a Standard Form (SF) 368 (Product Quality Deficiency Report) through their servicing MCSS, where
forms are available. Commercially purchased items that are authorized for wear in lieu of military-issued items must
conform to the basic specification of the military-issued item, unless otherwise specified in this regulation.
(2) Optional uniforms and other uniform clothing items sold in the MCSS, in exchanges, or by commercial sources
will contain a label, stamp, or certificate issued by the textile technology team at the CCDC Soldier Center. Components of some optional uniforms (such as men’s commercial white shirts, studs, and cuff links) are not included in the
UQCP.
a. Soldiers purchasing uniforms, uniform items, or heraldic items from establishments other than the MCSS must
ensure that the items are authorized for wear and that they conform to appropriate military specifications or are manufactured in accordance with the UQCP or the heraldic quality control system. When items appear deficient, Soldiers
should submit a Standard Form (SF) 368 (Product Quality Deficiency Report) through their servicing MCSS, where
forms are available. Commercially purchased items that are authorized for wear in lieu of military-issued items must
conform to the basic specification of the military-issued item, unless otherwise specified in this regulation.
(2) Optional uniforms and other uniform clothing items sold in the MCSS, in exchanges, or by commercial sources
will contain a label, stamp, or certificate issued by the textile technology team at the CCDC Soldier Center. Components of some optional uniforms (such as men’s commercial white shirts, studs, and cuff links) are not included in the
UQCP.
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SGT Dalton Kemp
So basically it will be stamped as compliant if so. Thank you! I’ve seen other companies wearing the exact same shirt in the field and didn’t know if they were fd up or it’s authorized. Because I believe the issues ones are slightly different.
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SSG Steven Borders
SGT Dalton Kemp - It's no different than say a company run were the Commander wants everyone to wear a company shirt. If the commander authorizes it, then you are good to go until told other wise by higher.
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SSG Steven Borders - A commander can modify but not make a new uniform. It is like saying you can modify a car but then someone replaces the engine. It is not the same vehicle. This isn't something a commander can alter due to safety.
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