Posted on Apr 25, 2015
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This Soldier was asked by two NCOs to fix his pants. The Soldier claimed to not be a Soldier, but he was at a military clothing looking to purchase the new PTs. He was very disrespectful and not receptive of the orders. What else would you suggest if he refuses to give his command's or his personal information?
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Well, if he was merely in the food court looking to buy an Icee, I would await the arrival of the Courtesy Patrol, then I'd dime him out and enjoy the show, if he was that much of a douche nozzle. However, since he's at a Clothing & Sales, claiming to not be a Soldier, attempting to purchase items intended exclusively for the wear and use by Soldiers in the execution of their assigned missions, now we have ourselves a horse of an entirely different color. Given today's treat environment, we cannot afford to take chances. I would immediately contact post MP, and keep eyes-on until they arrived on scene. If the subject were to leave, I would collect as much detailed info about the individual as possible. Height, weight, hair, eyes, clothing, car, license plate #, etc. Was he alone or accompanied; everything I could I get, I would. There are just too many lapses in security sometimes. Who knows, this may be a dry-run for something far more severe. If you see something, say something!
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SGT Debra Jahnel
SGT Debra Jahnel
4 mo
I've been away from military bases since 1997, but we always had to show ID at the Clothing Store before the sale was made. If this is still the case, I would wait until he produced ID and then ask the store clerk to call the MPs.
But this is a problem created by so many open bases.
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SFC Terry Bryant
SFC Terry Bryant
3 mo
Agreed. I would not have walked away from that situation. I despise these millennial attitudes and undisciplined punks who play games with our Military.
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SSG Gary Runcie
SSG Gary Runcie
3 mo
Well as an OLD soldier ( got out 1987 ) the policy was if not on duty it was civies and if off post you better be going home if you were in fatigues or field uniform, class A's or B's were ok. Not sure I would like being in today, discipline some what questionable today, as "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" has pervaded society and infiltrated the military establishment. Also if you were buying something on post you were active retired reserve dependent or an escorted visitor, in any case yu or someone with you was required to has an ID to show they belonged on post. But this is just an OLD NCO view.
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SSG (Join to see) - That was funny about getting a down vote!
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COL Charles Williams
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Tell him who you are, request his ID card, and contact his chain of command. If that does not work (he will not produce it), then call the military police.

Most installations have policy letters on what you can and can't wear, and where.
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COL John Power
COL John Power
9 mo
I agree. And yes; the military police. Failure to obey a lawful order is a violation of the UCMJ. NCOs can require compliance. Don't put up with this BS. We do have standards and soldiers that don't choose to live up to them need to be elsewhere in society.
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1SG John Millan
1SG John Millan
9 mo
Exactly Colonel. I was an MP Co. 1SG and an "H" instructor-trainer. I trained MP's on apprehension, UCMJ, use of force, detention, probable cause and reasonable suspicion. I am also a civilian police trainer and firearms instructor, even though I am a retured cop no. I wrote a detailed and lengthy post on here about arrest, apprehension, UCMJ offenses, military jurisdiction, use of force, legal issues, etc. It can be VERY complicated and even dangerous. I made one off duty apprehension for a felony and I almost got shot. German police handled it even though it was on post. I got my arm broken, Got an AAM and a stern talking to by the Major for her worrying that I got hurt and almost killed. It is much different than when I was an off duty civilian cop with a gun and reloads and cuffs. All active duty, on-orders federal-status Guard and reserve officers, NCO's, WO's and retired NCO's, officers, WO's military and DOD or federal law enforcement have apprehension powers on military personnel and detention powers on military personnel and civilians on post and anywhere in the world, 24 & 7, on or off-duty, but it is a risky thing that involves MANY legalities. Use careful prudence.
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SMSgt John Clifford
SMSgt John Clifford
7 mo
Demand his ID card and if he refuses detain him until the SPs arrive.
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CAPT Lyle Brown
CAPT Lyle Brown
6 mo
SGT Suraj Dave - Anyone properly using the Exchange/PX has the authority to question whether someone else using who appears unqualified is a threat. If he will not prove his privilege to be there, then get security involved and let them deal with the threat.
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SFC Mark Merino
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No one buying anything on post does so sans id card. "Produce your id card NOW".
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Sgt Mona Hemphill-Bellmore
Sgt Mona Hemphill-Bellmore
5 mo
SGT(P) (Join to see) - I've been saying this exact thing, trying to educate people on Facebook for years. People wearing sagging pants, showing underwear should be cited for indecent exposure. What are we teaching our children by allowing this to continue? I thought it was regulation/law on all military posts and bases to show ID at the gate before being allowed entry. If not, it should be.
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PO1 Robert Wikert
PO1 Robert Wikert
4 mo
Sgt Mona Hemphill-Bellmore - Every time I go on base, especially in the past 3 years I have had to produce my retired ID before being allowed on base. Plus if I purchase anything, I again have to provide my ID. I really don't understand why the people wearing their clothes like this think it is "cool", honestly I think it looks truly ignorant, and if not indecent, it is without a doubt(in my humble opinion)very "uncool".
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MSgt Joseph Holness
MSgt Joseph Holness
4 mo
Sgt Mona Hemphill-Bellmore - I Agree with your post, but trying to educate people on FB might be a futile effort since FB is real quick to take down and / or ban anything (or anyone) they don't agree with or subscribe to.
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MSgt Joseph Holness
MSgt Joseph Holness
4 mo
SSG(P) (Join to see) - !!!ROTFLMAO!!!
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